Senators announce bipartisan agreement on gun proposals

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Only thing in the Hill article was including DV TRO in NICS.

Which is a giant furrball. NICS is not designed for auditing so anything "temporary" is liable to be permanent.
And, NICS is already hugely suspect for completeness as is, right now. (Especially on the DV front.)

Going to be hard to know what's actually in the compromise until it gets published.
 
One thing of note is that there are no FEDERAL red flag laws in place for this - it basically offers Federal funding/assistance to states that want to pass them.

In general I don't see a lot in this that will change much. Basically a bone to the anti-gunners to say they did something. No AWB, no magazine capacity limits, no universal background checks. I'm not saying this is good legislation, but honestly if we can get by with just this it isn't the end of the world.
 
mgmorden said:
One thing of note is that there are no FEDERAL red flag laws in place for this - it basically offers Federal funding/assistance to states that want to pass them.
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You're right about THIS legislation, but it opens the door a little wider as does all incremental legislation that further infringes on freedom. What is scariest about red flag laws is that due process is thrown out the window which is why I have (a little) hope that the Supreme Court will eventually hear a case and throw out red flag laws. I'm thinking years, if not decades, down the road.
 
So in a nutshell, what does this mean. There will be a more thorough background on people between 18-21 or are they enhanced BGC's for all? More funding for states that want to enact RF Laws and such? And better reporting to NICS on domestic violence offenses?
 
LocoGringo said:
You're right about THIS legislation, but it opens the door a little wider as does all incremental legislation that further infringes on freedom. What is scariest about red flag laws is that due process is thrown out the window which is why I have (a little) hope that the Supreme Court will eventually hear a case and throw out red flag laws. I'm thinking years, if not decades, down the road.
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Indeed - and I'm not opposed to them being thrown out, but honestly right now we're in a position where if the Dems REALLY wanted to to nuclear option they have the numbers to eliminate the filibuster, expand SCOTUS, pass a full AWB, etc. Thankfully Manchin has mostly been opposed to that but its a delicate game to keep from digging into the sand so much that we force their hand. If this'll hold until the Republicans control at least one of the House, Senate, or Presidency, then that'll keep anything worse from happening until then. Historically the opposite party of a first term president always gets a lot of votes in the first midterm, so its quite likely that we just have to hold out until November for the vote and January for the lame duck sessions to expire and we'll be a little safer.

DustyGmt said:
So in a nutshell, what does this mean. There will be a more thorough background on people between 18-21 or are they enhanced BGC's for all? More funding for states that want to enact RF Laws and such? And better reporting to NICS on domestic violence offenses?
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I don't know the details (I'm not sure anyone besides the politicians do until the actual bill text is available), but one thing I've heard referenced several times in regards to the "enhanced" background checks is opening up juvenile records to scrutiny. Under normal circumstances juvenile records are sealed when adulthood is reached but this would allow NICS the ability to access those records for crimes committed as a younger person.
 
DustyGmt said:
So in a nutshell, what does this mean. There will be a more thorough background on people between 18-21 or are they enhanced BGC's for all? More funding for states that want to enact RF Laws and such? And better reporting to NICS on domestic violence offenses?
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Dunno.
Have not yet found the text of this dumpster fire.

"Enhanced background check" has been tossed around a lot of late.

The NICS check is not a background check. It's only a check to see if a person's name is on the Federal Prohibited Persons list (such as that is).

An actual background check takes three to six weeks (I have conducted these). Requiring such would be tantamount to a Shall Deny process, as it would require between 10x and 50x the Investigators we presently have hired.

Sadly, it seems that "enhanced background check" all too typically means just piling on more and more (and more trival) reasons to make a person Prohibited.
 
mgmorden said:
One thing of note is that there are no FEDERAL red flag laws in place for this - it basically offers Federal funding/assistance to states that want to pass them.

In general I don't see a lot in this that will change much. Basically a bone to the anti-gunners to say they did something. No AWB, no magazine capacity limits, no universal background checks. I'm not saying this is good legislation, but honestly if we can get by with just this it isn't the end of the world.
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what have RKBA supports gotten? this is death by a thousand cuts.
 
Passed House and Senate and Biden says he'll sign it.
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1. It has NOT passed the Senate. It is still just an agreement from a 20 Senator bipartisan committee. The article does report that it has a good chance of passing the Senate.

2. It has NOT passed the House. What passed the House is a completely different bill.

3. Biden has pledged to sign it if it makes it to his desk.
 
Just as I predicted, a list of the traitors in the senate:

  • John Cornyn of Texas
  • Thom Tillis of North Carolina
  • Susan Collins of Maine
  • Bill Cassidy of Louisiana
  • Lindsey Graham of South Carolina
  • Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania
  • Roy Blunt of Missouri
  • Richard Burr of North Carolina
  • Rob Portman of Ohio
  • Mitt Romney of Utah
Enjoy the new gun laws. Maybe do something more than vote, and finance endless summers for the NRA, next time.
 
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Just as I predicted, a list of the traitors in the senate:

  • John Cornyn of Texas
  • Thom Tillis of North Carolina
  • Susan Collins of Maine
  • Bill Cassidy of Louisiana
  • Lindsey Graham of South Carolina
  • Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania
  • Roy Blunt of Missouri
  • Richard Burr of North Carolina
  • Rob Portman of Ohio
  • Mitt Romney of Utah
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Two of which have announced retirement at the end of this year.
 
I'm betting it passes the Senate and crashes in the house.

Pigosi just won't be able to resist adding all kinds of evil crap to it, nor can she hold back whatever her little Commie cohorts will want to add as well.

It won't go anywhere. It's all a dog and pony show...election issue for the Dems to try to distract from the dumpster fire inflation, near world War Ukraine is becoming, bare shelves and 5 dollar gas.

It benefits the GOP as well...now they can tell the mentally challenged members of the party who want gun control that they tried....
 
Megawatt maker said:
I'm betting it passes the Senate and crashes in the house.

Pigosi just won't be able to resist adding all kinds of evil crap to it, nor can she hold back whatever her little Commie cohorts will want to add as well.

It won't go anywhere. It's all a dog and pony show...election issue for the Dems to try to distract from the dumpster fire inflation, near world War Ukraine is becoming, bare shelves and 5 dollar gas.

It benefits the GOP as well...now they can tell the mentally challenged members of the party who want gun control that they tried....
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I hope you're right.
 
Zerodefect said:
Just as I predicted, a list of the traitors in the senate:
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Disagree.

A list of Republican senators who outwitted the Democrats and secured political cover for Republicans going into the Midterms.

The proposed legislation is nothing but political theater.

You can fault them for being political hacks playing CYA politics, but they’re not ‘traitors.’
 
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