Senators announce bipartisan agreement on gun proposals

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12Bravo20 said:
Just my opinion here. But if the age to purchase any firearm is raised to 21, then the age to vote and age to join the military should also be raised to 21. It is very ironic that they want to lower the voting age to 16 and that 17-18 year olds can join the military and have access to automatic weapons, cannons, tanks, etc. yet anyone under 21 is not responsible enough to purchase a firearm.
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False equivalency. Raising the age to vote would require (another) constitutional amendment. Not happening. As for 18 year olds joining the military and using guns, access of recruits to weapons in the military is tightly controlled. Besides that, we now have an all-volunteer military. Service, in practice, is no longer an obligation of citizenship.
 
BlueHeelerFl said:
In my state of FL many pro gun bills never survive due to several RINOs in Tallahassee that have openly taken Bloomberg anti gun money
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The same thing happens here in Missouri too. We have Columbia, St Louis, Kansas City, and Springfield that are very liberal cities while the rest of the state is conservative. We have been trying to get 2A friendly laws passed but nothing ever happens. Most of the time bills don't make it out of committee.
 
hso said:
Agreed, but whether it will get through the inevitable Conference Committee that would have to resolve differences between the Senate and House versions is questionable.
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There isn't going to be a Conference. The plan is for whatever passes the Senate to be rubber-stamped in the House without amendment, and sent to the President's desk. The previously House-passed bill will just be dropped.

However, the latest buzz is that it may not pass the House at all. Unlike in the Senate, the House Republicans appear to be unanimously against it. At least McCarthy, Scalise, Stefanik, etc., are whipping against it. And there are rumblings of defections even among the Democrats:

Yesterday, we had an item about how the Senate seemed likely to pass a fairly meaningless gun measure. That still seems to be true. However, to become law, the measure also has to pass the House. That is in doubt since Kevin McCarthy, Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) and Conference Chair Elise Stefanik (R-NY) are actively opposing the Senate bill. Fundamentally, the Republican leadership is against any and all restrictions on gun ownership. In addition, Donald Trump is also telling all Republicans to vote against it. If all Republicans follow their marching orders, then the House will have to pass the bill with only Democratic votes.

That is not impossible, since Democrats have a tiny majority in the House, but if there are half a dozen defections, the bill won't make it. Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Jamie Raskin (D-MD), and Jake Auchincloss (D-MA) have all expressed doubts about the bill because it does almost nothing and if it passes, Republicans won't want to bring up the subject of gun safety for another decade. The big question is whether a feeble bill that does almost nothing to curb gun violence is worth it if it blocks discussion of a much better bill down the road. In the end, if Nancy Pelosi orders her troops to support the bill, probably almost all of them will do it, however grudgingly, and it might just pass.
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https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2022/Senate/Maps/Jun23.html#item-6
 
AlexanderA said:
In the end, if Nancy Pelosi orders her troops to support the bill, probably almost all of them will do it, however grudgingly
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220 vs 210, do we think Pelosi won't get enough to pass it? I'm prone to think that even if there are a couple of protest NO or ABSTAIN that she'll herd enough to vote YEA whether all the Rs vote NAY or not.
 
AlexanderA said:
The fallacy here is that you expect politicians to be totally transparent, and at the same time be effective. Effectiveness means sometimes playing the cards close to the vest. Cornyn is in Republican leadership, and so he knows how the game is played. Judge him by his results. He's done a pretty good job emasculating the gun bill. Probably, in the end, there will be nothing at all. What more do you want?
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I'm guessing you were a fan of John McCain too. That "maverick" who worked the Washington system. And Mitt Romney. He worked it. Unfortunately they were successfully masquerading as conservatives, only to help Democrats achieve their goals. This "common sense" gun control won't be any different. Democrats are thrilled at their success with passing this bill and how it'll pave the way for "more progress" for gun control. From msnbc: Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) stated that Republican senators supporting the Senate gun legislation over opposition from the NRA “sort of paves the way for even more progress in the future, now that we have broken this logjam.” And “That’s maybe the legacy of the bill in the long run.”

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AOC is right: if this passes it will take the heat off Congress and nothing else gun-related will pass for the next 10 years. Particularly if, as expected, the Democrats lose big time this November.
 
Do we have a gist of that bill without all the whereases and wherefores?
I heard that it was so replete with references to other laws to be revised that it is not a straight up catalog of restrictions.

Found one.
 
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The only positive aspect of this is putting the voting record of these senators on it. That can be used to assemble a list of them that need to be removed from office, either by general elections, primaries, or resignation campaigns.
 
Will Munny said:
The only positive aspect of this is putting the voting record of these senators on it. That can be used to assemble a list of them that need to be removed from office, either by general elections, primaries, or resignation campaigns.
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Don't fool yourself. These conservatives that have been Supporting gun control or at the very least not supporting the 2nd amendment have been in office and expose all along and nobody has done anything. Your list of this event will be just as useless as the last one.
 
JERRY said:
Don't fool yourself. These conservatives that have been Supporting gun control or at the very least not supporting the 2nd amendment have been in office and expose all along and nobody has done anything. Your list of this event will be just as useless as the last one.
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If people are not creative sure. But the time for the same old strategies is past. This list needs to be the one used to force them out of office.
 
Will Munny said:
If people are not creative sure. But the time for the same old strategies is past. This list needs to be the one used to force them out of office.
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that "list" idea has been tossed around and dropped so many times over the decades....its akin to all truckers stop making deliveries for one weekend or nobody buy gas for three days....
 
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