Show us your 50 yard five-shot cap-n-ball revolver groups. Or patterns.

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I went with five shots to even the field with the Pocket Pistols. This was my "Sheriff's Model" 1860, lube-over-ball, 35 grains of 3fg. It measures 13"X10".

I shot sitting on the ground, back against a 4X4 post, resting my arms over my knees.

She sure shoots higher than I remember, but I've not shot it at 50 before. My POA was bottom of the plate, front sight halfway down in the notch. A pattern rather than a group for sure, but it would have been deadly on a Comanchero, or human target. On a wolf, the vertical spread would have put at least two shots over it's back.

So okay people, post your 50 yard damage. It's okay to shoot a few, and post the best one you get. That's kind of what I have here.

Thanks in advance, eager to see what results others get.
 
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I can't do this, but this guy did:

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I did shoot an 87 this month in a CMP Revolver EIC match at 50 yards. The first ten shot string, one shot was completely out of the rings, and so all I received was a 73. The pistol was a 6 inch M686 with a 158 LRN and 3.3 grains Bullseye pistol in a 38 Special case.

Fifty yard pistol targets? Can't brag about what I do at 50 yards.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
Well, now you have to do it with a cap-N-ball revolver! I can't wait to see what the Dragoons and Walkers will do.
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That will take all day. Not just loading, but cleaning. I do have a 1858 Remington made by Uberti. I was able to drift the front sight and file it down to a 25 yard zero. None of my open top Colts can be zero'd. In fact, on every Colt replica, the front sights are canted from the factory.
 
Slamfire said:
That will take all day. Not just loading, but cleaning. I do have a 1858 Remington made by Uberti. I was able to drift the front sight and file it down to a 25 yard zero. None of my open top Colts can be zero'd. In fact, on every Colt replica, the front sights are canted from the factory.
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I've never had canted sights, just tiny miniscule ones. But c'mon Slam, give us just five shots at 50 yards. Cleanup is a breeze when you just fire one cylinder full. ! Does not matter if the group is high or low.
 
Jackrabbit1957 said:
Ya know Ugly, I might just have to blow the dust off my Walkers and see how I do on paper. I've shot at Jackrabbits but not paper.
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Well yeah, ya better. Expand our "data base". !!! I suggest you shoot at a picture of a JackRabbit as your target. I'm still going to do the Remington, and even the Little Brat. The Remington should do well.
 
Slamfire said:
That will take all day. Not just loading, but cleaning. I do have a 1858 Remington made by Uberti. I was able to drift the front sight and file it down to a 25 yard zero. None of my open top Colts can be zero'd. In fact, on every Colt replica, the front sights are canted from the factory.
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Hmmm… I’ve had an saa with a canted sight. It hit dead on for windage so… I didn’t mind at first. Eventually it offended me so much I traded it away.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
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I went with five shots to even the field with the Pocket Pistols. This was my "Sheriff's Model" 1860, lube-over-ball, 35 grains of 3fg. It measures 13"X10".

I shot sitting on the ground, back against a 4X4 post, resting my arms over my knees.

She sure shoots higher than I remember, but I've not shot it at 50 before. My POA was bottom of the plate, front sight halfway down in the notch. A pattern rather than a group for sure, but it would have been deadly on a Comanchero, or human target. On a wolf, the vertical spread would have put at least two shots over it's back.

So okay people, post your 50 yard damage. It's okay to shoot a few, and post the best one you get. That's kind of what I have here.

Thanks in advance, eager to see what results others get.
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I cheated. Two ways. I shot from the tonneau cover on “old white”… and I used a pistol I’ve been shooting since 1962 or 3. Uberti, made for Navy Arms and if you can’t hit with this pistol, you should take up golf or skeet or something. I drove in after work today, The gun was loaded, (of course) so I fired two sighters, reloaded the two chambers and fired for score. 30 grains 3f Swiss, dry wool wads .465” ball and a .Remington 10 cap. The gun has .456” chambers, 11degree cone and .450/454” bore and groove dimensions. I can’t even guess how many rounds down the pipe. Cheating. I’ll fire with a different gun from a field position tomorrow or the next day.
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I covered the sighters just for clarity.
 
woodnbow said:
I cheated. Two ways. I shot from the tonneau cover on “old white”… and I used a pistol I’ve been shooting since 1962 or 3. Uberti, made for Navy Arms and if you can’t hit with this pistol, you should take up golf or skeet or something. I drove in after work today, The gun was loaded, (of course) so I fired two sighters, reloaded the two chambers and fired for score. 30 grains 3f Swiss, dry wool wads .465” ball and a .Remington 10 cap. The gun has .456” chambers, 11degree cone and .450/454” bore and groove dimensions. I can’t even guess how many rounds down the pipe. Cheating. I’ll fire with a different gun from a field position tomorrow or the next day.
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I covered the sighters just for clarity.
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That ain't cheating, that's good shooting, with a good pistola. Interesting bore and chamber dimensions. That's actually quite fantastic, my pistol won't shoot like that. If more groups like that come in, it will be pretty clear that the old Colts were pretty much as capable as the modern guns.

Dang, neither man nor beast would be safe approaching you at 50 yards or further. 50 yards, certain death!!!!

On the other hand, I hope no one will be too shy to post large groups, like what I got out of my 1860. It will be nice to kind of see an average, get an idea of the average capability of these pistols too.
 
I hope I remember to try this with my ROA once we can go back to shooting in my AO (fire risk has all public land shut down as it does annually here in sunny AZ).
 
Jackrabbit1957 said:
I used to ring a gong regularly with my Walker at 80 yards. Haven't had it out in a long time, need to blow the dust off and shoot the thing. Hey sobrbiker883, where in Az are you located?
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Gilbert. I’m thinking of taking my recently acquired out “jackrabbit/coyote hunting” next weekend…
I was dancing darned close to my point of aim at 70yds on its first outing.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
That ain't cheating, that's good shooting, with a good pistola. Interesting bore and chamber dimensions. That's actually quite fantastic, my pistol won't shoot like that. If more groups like that come in, it will be pretty clear that the old Colts were pretty much as capable as the modern guns.

Dang, neither man nor beast would be safe approaching you at 50 yards or further. 50 yards, certain death!!!!

On the other hand, I hope no one will be too shy to post large groups, like what I got out of my 1860. It will be nice to kind of see an average, get an idea of the average capability of these pistols too.
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100% right. This gun is exceptionally accurate for a service type of pistol. And which is why I’ll duplicate the effort with a box stock Pietta. Haven’t shot that one much but I’m hopeful. I have always accepted that these Colts big limits were in the sighting equipment mainly. Tiny sights… but I’m really lucky about stuff like this. In my 75th year and in good sunlight I have 20/15 vision uncorrected, and a long time ago some large men with bad attitudes and sticks taught me how to shoot. 1911’s then didn’t have great sights either. We managed them. I have a lot of trigger time since then. And I’m really lucky .
 
Ugly Sauce said:
Confucious say: 1911 or Colt percussion revolver beat large man with big stick. And his friends.
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The harshest lessons last the longest. Or they do for me… I may be a bit bullheaded. Sometimes. Too late for change now!

So, it turns out that Pietta was unfired. .446” chambers, 449 bore, dunno what grooves are probably .452 or more maybe. It’s pretty I’ll say that! Best looking Pietta on the surface, I have seen. Probably why I bought it. A sucker for a pretty face. Anyway, for the first six, I loaded 30 grains 3f Swiss, wool wads and .457 ball. Figured I’d better be closer until I know how she acted I stepped off 20 yards and let fly offhand. It’s hitting high of course, and about 4 inches left of POA. It’s a round ish group which is good. But I lost one of those shots off the backer. That’s not encouraging, it’s a 4x4’ backer! LOL!
 
Yeah maybe… the timing and indexing seems okay, but this trigger is an abomination. Long, gritty and heavy. Not helping at all. We have work to do but I still want a fifty yard group before I do anything else with it. Box stock as issued. The way it might have gone into Battle. (This one would not have made it out of the inspection room as it is.)
 
Are you gonna do the work on it yourself woodnbow or send it out? I have a reamer that will bump up the chambers to take a 457 ball, and can take care of those other issues as well. Shameless plug for my services.
 
Jackrabbit1957 said:
Are you gonna do the work on it yourself woodnbow or send it out? I have a reamer that will bump up the chambers to take a 457 ball, and can take care of those other issues as well. Shameless plug for my services.
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I’d be open to that Jackrabbit… I’ve heard good things and I have too many projects as it is. I have to live to a hundred at this point. Just no choice!

BTW, do you go to 454 or more? I run bullets a lot and most of my chambers are 456” . I can load the bullets into a smaller chamber as I do with ROA. Just curious.
 
I will go measure the reamer I have, I don't recall if its .454 or .453. I run .452 s in my ROAs by knurling them between 2 crosscut files. Works remarkably well. I will get back to you shortly.
 
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