No New Gun Control Bills Will Pass This Congress

Well there's no point. All the stuff they want, bans on such as a type of weapon (AR15, "ghost gun", 80%), ammo, mag capacity, technical data, files will be smited by the supremes for foreseeable decades.

N555 said:

Well there's no point. All the stuff they want, bans on such as a type of weapon (AR15, "ghost gun", 80%), ammo, mag capacity, technical data, files will be smited by the supremes for foreseeable decades.

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SCOTUS rulings mean nothing if the government bodies that oppose said rulings undermine them for decades, which is what has been happening since Heller in 2007.

Yeah the supreme court is being ignored like it's 1832 again.

Within days of the Supreme Court decision against New York, the Dem Governor and legislature passed into law a host of new anti-gun rules that essentially negated the decision.

Now citizens can spend a boatload of money over 5 years to get these laws tossed....and the beat goes on.............

They have to protect their criminal voting base.

Yes, NYS just washed away practical carry and everything I read says it will take years to undo if it ever gets done.

To the point of the OP - perhaps if the GOP does take control of both houses, they might look at the Democratic argument to codify Roe legislatively. Thus, states that circumvent Scotus decisions can constrained by laws. There was the SAGA act proposed during the first two years of Trump and reciprocity. They went nowhere. One can speculate on the reasons.

Under the aegis of the 2A, I opine that state bans could be undone or prevented, as with Federal voting rights legislation. I opine that the restrictions on carry could be prevented. They are designed to make carry useless. The only bans on locales should be on technical grounds such as the classic MRI case or criminal justice locations. Public institutions - schools, libraries, offices, no. Businesses open to the public - no.

You get the idea. Never happen though.

This decision seems to be a flop - the red states already have such and the blue states may conform on the reasons rationale but then wipe out carry with other restrictions that will negate carry and take years to undo - unless there is a fast track back to Scotus - which I don't see.

Gun control laws only punish the law abiding.

I dont see these current issues being any different than all the Anti 2A supporters have already doing for the past 10 years. Just when you think supply and demand are back to normal, yet another active shooter retard causes panic in the hobby or a regime change in our Gov. As the OP stated, it will continue and get worse, just like it has been doing for the past decade. Eventually they will take some of our 2A rights, it only a matter of time. I have a clear perspective of this since most of my life was in Calif( Glad I'm out of there...)

gifbohane said:

Within days of the Supreme Court decision against New York, the Dem Governor and legislature passed into law a host of new anti-gun rules that essentially negated the decision.

Now citizens can spend a boatload of money over 5 years to get these laws tossed....and the beat goes on.............

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N555 said:

Yeah the supreme court is being ignored like it's 1832 again.

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I've been thinking about this. The words of Andrew Jackson: "The Supreme Court made their decision. Now let them enforce it." are eerily too familiar. I really can't think of way to physically force a state to comply with the ruling-certainly not under present leadership.

On the other hand, I suspect that Supreme Court Justices don't like governors thumbing their noses at them. Thinking about how Thomas tried to foresee some of this and head it off in his majority opinion, I wonder if, when the next 2A case comes before the court, they just rule that all gun laws are an infringement and be done with it, once and for all. A bridge too far, for sure, but I think there is an NFA-related case headed their way that would provide that opportunity. Yet, we would still see the same refusal to comply, and I still don't know how it could be enforced.

At the end of the day, it appears that we are headed toward lawlessness more and more every day.

I still cannot fathom this public refusal. Is contempt of court not a crime? I would assume that contempt of the supreme court to be viewed as a bit more serious.

Is there no elected/appointed federal official willing to stand by their oath of office to uphold and defend the constitution?

Tinman357 said:

Is there no elected/appointed federal official willing to stand by their oath of office to uphold and defend the constitution?

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Only when it fits their agenda.

D.B. Cooper said:

I wonder if, when the next 2A case comes before the court, they just rule that all gun laws are an infringement and be done with it, once and for all. A bridge too far, for sure, but I think there is an NFA-related case headed their way that would provide that opportunity.

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Great minds think alike. Braden, over at Langley Firearms, just posted this video a few minutes ago with a slightly different premise as my thoughts above. If the NFA falls, I can't imagine much else in the gun control world being allowed to stand. (But that's probably a topic for another discussion altogether.)

hso said:

There's no point in acting like petulant children screeching "BUT WE WON!". We "knew" that if we won the fight wasn't over.

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So very true. Anyone that has been paying close attention all these years knew that NYS would fight tooth and nail over the ruling. DC did the same thing after the Heller ruling too.

Didn't realize I was screeching like a petulant child. After 27 years in the military, it's ingrained to follow the rules. Just difficult to ignore when others don't.

The immediate danger will be at the state level. I live in Illinois and have had a gun license for 50 years. Background check, waiting period, private sale control, gun registration at retail sale, red flag law. All
this and the Highland Park shooter got through. None of it works, they want them confiscated. Thats the end game.

GEM said:

perhaps if the GOP does take control of both houses

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hso said:

The composition of Congress will determine that.

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Perhaps........ If the GOP was interested in actually challenging Democrats on anything, they regularly had the opportunity while taking their turn having control of both houses over the last 60 or 70* years. In that timeframe the composition of congress hasn't really made much difference when it comes to the 2A.


* More likely 110ish years or so but that's a different story.

In an ideal world, delegations from the pro-gunners and the antigunners could sit down in a locked room, and work out a deal that would (partially) serve the interests of both sides.

Unfortunately, it's not an ideal world. The representatives of both sides make their livings promoting their maximalist demands. No room for compromise, where each side gives a little to get a little. And no possibility for complete victory by either side.

I don't see how it's possible to break this logjam.

That years more of court battles are foreseen simply means that the 6 justices on Scotus didn't do their due diligence. If the goal was to preserve and/or enhance the RKBA, they needed to think this out. Of course, we don't know if they did or their grand plan was to set up years more decisions. That was the rationale to explain the flaws of Heller along the need to kowtow to Kennedy/Stevens. We see how Heller's flaws empowered the state bans. The same thing is happening now.

In any case, if the blue states manage to ban practically concealed carry with state laws, it's a loss. If that's a screech, tough.

The international powers-that-be want firearms to be taken away from the law-abiding and the use of all forms of violence to be decriminalized for the criminally-inclined.
They must burn the cities to profit from "saving" the cities.

General Geoff said:

SCOTUS rulings mean nothing if the government bodies that oppose said rulings undermine them for decades, which is what has been happening since Heller in 2007.

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This is the folly of being overly reliant on the courts to fix everything.
Every successful rights movement got to where they are because of a shift in public perception to their cause, not just the breathing room created by legal decree. It will be a long slog toward victory until we capitalize on that.

the batfe will be their runaround for laws....

theotherwaldo said:

The international powers-that-be want firearms to be taken away from the law-abiding and the use of all forms of violence to be decriminalized for the criminally-inclined.
They must burn the cities to profit from "saving" the cities.

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What evidence do you have for any of this? (Sounds like a conspiracy theory.)

AlexanderA said:

What evidence do you have for any of this? (Sounds like a conspiracy theory.)

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-Simply watch what the Soros crowd is pushing... .