New Gun Control Measures including Background laws in new COVID Relief Bill? - Updated

[Aim1]

So, the new COVID Relief bill is over 6k pages long and some senators and representatives have complained about how they don't have time to read everything that is in the bill before they are supposed to sign it. There's a bunch of horrible things in the bill but I won't want to discuss the ones pertaining to guns here. I just saw this live on Fox news tv so no article.

In the bill, U.S. Congressman Bill Babin of Texas states that there is gun control measures in their that he doesn't approve of including new background laws. I'm assuming this would have to be Federal so it would affect every state.


https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20433223-covid-19-relief-bill


https://www.npr.org/2020/12/21/948744901/here-is-whats-in-congress-covid-19-relief-package

Does anyone know what he's talking about?

 

[Tommygunn]

I see nothing about guns in the second link article.

I don't see anything in the first because all I get is a blank white screen.


A little more complete explanation would be appreciated ......

 

[Aim1]

I see nothing about guns in the second link article.

I don't see anything in the first because all I get is a blank white screen.


A little more complete explanation would be appreciated ......

You can't see the document? It opens up fine on mine but I've got a fairly new computer.

 

[Tommygunn]

That's what I said; just a blank white screen. It might be loading but I can't wait eight hours, twenty two minutes and thirty one seconds for it to load .... if that's what's hapoening. I don't get any error code.

 

[Typetwelve]

I downloaded the PDF and scanned it for "Firearm", "Assault", "Background", "AR15" , "ammunition" and the like. All I can find is a brief section on pages 371-372 about a universal background check type system:

SEC. 8112.
The Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Service Secretaries, shall submit a report to the congressional defense committees, not later than 180 days after the enactment of this Act, detailing the submission of records during the previous 12 months to databases accessibleto the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), including the Interstate Identification Index (III), the National Crime Information Center (NCIC), and the NICS Index, as required by Public Law 110–180: Provided, That such report shall provide the number and category of records submitted by month to each such database, by Service or Component: Provided further, That such report shall identify the number and category of records submitted by month to those databases for which the Identification for Firearm Sales (IFFS) flag or other database flags were used to pre-validate the records and indicate that such persons are prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm: Provided further, That such report shall describe the steps taken during the previous 12 months, by Service or Component, to ensure complete and accurate submission and appropriate flagging of records of individuals prohibited from gun possession or receipt pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 922(g) or (n) including ap-16plicable records involving proceedings under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.


There is a MASSIVE amount of pork in that one, though. A vast majority of it has zip to do with COVID "relief" to the public.

 

[Tommygunn]

Thanks Typetwelve!

 

[GEM]

That is not what is meant by a universal background check. Let’s drop the hair on fire prose. It seems to tighten up reporting to NICS, which has failed.

 

[daniel craig]

I downloaded the PDF and scanned it for "Firearm", "Assault", "Background", "AR15" , "ammunition" and the like. All I can find is a brief section on pages 371-372 about a universal background check type system:

SEC. 8112.
The Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Service Secretaries, shall submit a report to the congressional defense committees, not later than 180 days after the enactment of this Act, detailing the submission of records during the previous 12 months to databases accessibleto the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), including the Interstate Identification Index (III), the National Crime Information Center (NCIC), and the NICS Index, as required by Public Law 110–180: Provided, That such report shall provide the number and category of records submitted by month to each such database, by Service or Component: Provided further, That such report shall identify the number and category of records submitted by month to those databases for which the Identification for Firearm Sales (IFFS) flag or other database flags were used to pre-validate the records and indicate that such persons are prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm: Provided further, That such report shall describe the steps taken during the previous 12 months, by Service or Component, to ensure complete and accurate submission and appropriate flagging of records of individuals prohibited from gun possession or receipt pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 922(g) or (n) including ap-16plicable records involving proceedings under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.


There is a MASSIVE amount of pork in that one, though. A vast majority of it has zip to do with COVID "relief" to the public.

I’m no savant but they way I read that is it’s just tightening reporting of persons ineligible for firearm ownership to NICS and that we need to do better keeping track of flags on NICS checks. I don’t see how this does anything to change the gun control measures already in place.

 

[Typetwelve]

I'm not trying to be an alarmist...I was just stating what was in there. That was the only thing I could find on background checks concerning firearms.

 

[MAKster]

This appears to a required report from the Sec of Defense to Congress to see if the military is complying with the Fix NICS Act that was signed into law by Trump in 2018. It was a response to the Sutherland Springs church shooting in Texas. The killer was able to purchase the gun because the Air Force didn't report his previous conviction to the background check database.

 

[GEM]

Glad we clarified this, so we can relax. Anymore to say on a technical level specific to this bill and the quoted part? That's a hint!

 

[wiscoaster]

I’m no savant but they way I read that is it’s just tightening reporting of persons ineligible for firearm ownership to NICS and that we need to do better keeping track of flags on NICS checks..

No, it doesn't even do that. All it does is require the compiling of data into a report to be submitted to Congress. There is no change to current gun law.

 

[JumboJVT]

Which begs the question why Fox and Mr. Babin are unable to understand what the bill says?

 

[halfmoonclip]

There is everything in that bill, from the secrets of the Shriners to the location of Jimmy Hoffa. What a shame, but even the right-thinking Honorables threw in the towel to get a bill passed.
Queen Nancy is the main culprit, but there are plenty more.
Moon

 

[hso]

I'm not trying to be an alarmist

The criticism isn't directed at you. YOU were good enough to search and provide the only related text for everyone else to see. Good job.

 

[hso]

Bill Babin of Texas states that there is gun control measures in their that he doesn't approve of including new background laws.

We demonstrated that's incorrect. Perhaps politician Babin was just reacting to what he was told without reading the weighty thing himself?

 

[MedWheeler]

I saw someone do the math regarding reading the bill's contents and it's no wonder that there are so many people, including some in power, that don't really know what those contents include. At a modest 300wpm reading-comprehension capability, and 500-ish words per page, they came up with 19 eight-hour days of reviewing the 5600-ish pages. Supposedly, many of those voting on it had less than one eight-hour day.

 

[FFGColorado]

May not happen anyway.

Before Trump spoke, all signs and expectations had been that he intended to sign the relief bill as soon as it lands on his desk, possibly later this week. White House aides, in fact, said as much.
While Trump didn't explicitly say he will veto the legislation, his remarks suggested that he might. If he does so, lawmakers might be able to override his veto, but if he simply refuses to sign it, the bill might die.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/congress-vote-second-covid-19-relief-package-n1251966

 

[GEM]

Discussion of the bill in general is off topic