HST has a great reputation
147 grain HSTs.Who makes a good 147gr JHP that reliably expands? My goal is to stay subsonic up to a 10" barrel. Something I can buy in bulk.
I have heard the WWB was surprisingly reliable for its cost.
Thanks
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https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#9mmConsider that the speed of sound decreases as the temperature decreases. At 32°F the speed of sound is 1,086 FPS and people are wearing heavier clothing. Make that a longer shot and the bullet velocity will have dropped even further. Will the bullet still have sufficient velocity at longer distances, in the cold, after penetrating heavier clothing to still expand properly??? I've got some serious doubts about 147 grain cartridges reliably expanding and subsonic velocities.
Can anyone provide links to any ballistics testing that shows that 147 grain bullets will expand reliably through heavy clothing at subsonic velocities?
Problem with most 147 hollow points is they don't leave you much room for powder.
I think several do well. I may be wrong, but isn’t the main issue that many hollow points plug up and don’t function? For the one’s made to transcend that challenge, I don’t think a few layers of winter jacket with some light filling (such as down) will make a huge difference.Consider that the speed of sound decreases as the temperature decreases. At 32°F the speed of sound is 1,086 FPS and people are wearing heavier clothing. Make that a longer shot and the bullet velocity will have dropped even further. Will the bullet still have sufficient velocity at longer distances, in the cold, after penetrating heavier clothing to still expand properly??? I've got some serious doubts about 147 grain cartridges reliably expanding and subsonic velocities.
Can anyone provide links to any ballistics testing that shows that 147 grain bullets will expand reliably through heavy clothing at subsonic velocities?
There's plenty of lucky gunner tests.Consider that the speed of sound decreases as the temperature decreases. At 32°F the speed of sound is 1,086 FPS and people are wearing heavier clothing. Make that a longer shot and the bullet velocity will have dropped even further. Will the bullet still have sufficient velocity at longer distances, in the cold, after penetrating heavier clothing to still expand properly??? I've got some serious doubts about 147 grain cartridges reliably expanding and subsonic velocities.
Can anyone provide links to any ballistics testing that shows that 147 grain bullets will expand reliably through heavy clothing at subsonic velocities?
Black talons were going for like $5 a shot during the height of the summer of firey protests. I don't know why, there's better stuff now.I still have several boxes of original 147gr Black Talon, which was the carry load for my department back in the day. They worked. They're more souvenirs of days gone by than something I'd actually load in my mags. These days I'd stick with Win Ranger T or standard velocity Federal 147gr HST.
Meh, besides Speer Gold Dot 135 grain how many .38 rounds do much better than that FBI load?Products take on a life of their own. There is a mountain of data that there are better rounds than Federal 115-grain +P+ 9BPLE (a.k.a., “Illinois State Police load”), but people still buy it so Federal keeps making it.
It's the same thing with 38 Spl 158-grain LSWCHP +P
No the 158 grain lswchp fbi loadBlack Talons ?
Products take on a life of their own. There is a mountain of data that there are better rounds than Federal 115-grain +P+ 9BPLE (a.k.a., “Illinois State Police load”), but people still buy it so Federal keeps making it.
It's the same thing with 38 Spl 158-grain LSWCHP +P
Yes great example. If I was going to buy a hot 9mm load I would go with a 124 or 147gr over a hot 115gr.Products take on a life of their own. There is a mountain of data that there are better rounds than Federal 115-grain +P+ 9BPLE (a.k.a., “Illinois State Police load”), but people still buy it so Federal keeps making it.
It's the same thing with 38 Spl 158-grain LSWCHP +P