When Ruger starts cranking out the new Marlins...

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Specifically, the 336 and 1894 what do you think will happen to the prices of the JMs and Remlins.
It seems that some of the asking prices are just stupid high when I look for what is being offered on Gun Broker.
With that said, if prices should become comparable would you choose a JM over a Ruger, or vice versa in either a 336 or 1894 (assuming you a considering a caliber that Ruger is offering).
 
Specifically, the 336 and 1894 what do you think will happen to the prices of the JMs and Remlins.
It seems that some of the asking prices are just stupid high when I look for what is being offered on Gun Broker.
With that said, if prices should become comparable would you choose a JM over a Ruger, or vice versa in either a 336 or 1894 (assuming you a considering a caliber that Ruger is offering).



it all depends id have to see both rifles in hand to decide and it would come down to fit and finish and what felt the best to me
 
There seems to be some quasi mythical status attributed to the JM barrel stamp by most current sellers of the guns. Asking prices definitely reflect that. Particularly in the .45-70 bored ones. I’ve seen stainless guide guns listed for $2500. Don’t know what they sold for.

For me, I’m not hung up on an original Marlin if I’m considering a new Ruger Marlin or a JM stamped version. Price, condition of the used one and caliber is what I care about in that case.

Not sure what the prices of the original JMs will do in the long run. They will more than likely always command somewhat of a premium (especially by collectors of the marque) until the new company rolls out enough calibers/versions to meet the current demand/backlog.

For sure it will be a while before used Ruger Marlins show up on the secondary market to make an appreciable dent in the used market prices of any version.
 
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Using pre-64 Winchesters, or pre-lock/blued S&W's as an indicator I think the JM guns will hold some value. Not sure they will stay where they are though as that seems high. I think part of it will be actual sales price on the new Rugers and if they can meet demand.

I would guess the Remlins will be the least desired out of the pack, unless it is a certain model which interests people.
 
The Remlins are going for prices right up there with the JMs.

I just bought another 444. It is mint with nicer than usual wood. It is a 1999 production JM so it is 1:20 Ballard which is what I was looking for. It just happened to be JM.

I bought it for $1200. Looking on GB it appears Remlin 444s are routinely going for $1300+ and JMs are around the same with 444Ps and Outfitters getting a bit more.

The outliers are the stainless models though. I saw a 336SS go for $2500. I saw one of those in a pawn shop for $400 around 2018. It wasn’t a special edition or distributor exclusive either. Same for the 1894SS. I bought mine for $800 in 2018. They were only going for about $1200 this time last year. Now they are all over $2000.

The special releases and more interesting distributor exclusives are really fetching crazy money. The XLRs are pretty much untouchable and they were a standard catalog item at one time.

I think the more standard stainless offerings will tank once Marlin production picks up more and those stainless ones will no longer be out of production.
 
Personally, in my market analysis, I think the game is already decided, we’re just waiting for the dust to settle.

Remlins prices jumped when production stopped, because there isn’t another alternative, currently. When Marlin/Rem Outdoors’ supply dropped, the market hit a supply deficit, which drove up prices. The JM prices were a ceiling, as there was no more of them already coming to market, and they were perceived as favorable for quality AND more scarce, so the Remlin prices jumped markedly to near JM prices… until new production volume is regained to rebalance the supply to the existing demand. Equally, we’re in one of the worst economic situations in modern history, with extreme inflation and skyrocketing interest rates, and even runs on investment banks, AND we have the speculation that retooling and adoption of the product lines by Ruger will draw considerable price increases when they relaunch the line - with that speculation pushing increased price on the Remlins… again; until the new production hits the market and restabilizes, especially if we get out of the War for Eastern Ukraine in coincidental timing…

From what I can see, the demographic of which want JM’s will continue to want JM’s, and will continue to NOT buy new firearms, because they’re older and don’t buy new guns anyway - they have what they need. But the demography of folks which actually make up the broadest buyers of firearms are NOT buying leverguns, and are far too young to give a damn about pre or post ‘64 this or that, or JM versus Remlin… The folks which want the JM’s and do buy will continue paying grossly inflated prices, because they want them, there are less and less of them available for sale (either surviving in market at all or avoiding solidified collector accumulation, which is effectively the same as being destroyed in terms of market volume), and because they’re of an age of disposable income to buy what they want because they want it. But again, most of the folks which would want a JM simply aren’t buying guns any longer, so the influence is moot. Honestly, I doubt within a generation that the value of JM’s will even track with inflation, and their value will be depressed to closer parity, either slightly above or slightly below, with the new manufacture models than what the JM collectors might believe it should be.

The broadest gun buying demographic might choose between a used Remlin and retail priced Ruglin, but most will see reviews that Remlins had spotty QC and no longer offer any OEM support, while Ruger has the highest reputation for customer service and support in the market, and better manufacturing reputation than Remington Outdoor, so at price parity, the Ruglin will get heavy market favor, and the Remlin will continue to languish. I do expect as these new models hit the market from Ruger, we’ll see more price depression of used Remlins, eventually lagging in value behind the used market price of newer and better supported Ruglins, once their used market becomes established.

As a local example, living in the Midwest where guns are popular, and especially leverguns have a strong niche, I posted a couple of my JM 1894’s recently, on the same day I posted a couple of AR’s. The AR’s sold in a day, no negotiation on price, and sold for more than I’d paid to build them a couple of years before covid. The 1894’s were met with messages from grey tops saying the prices were too high, and a few low ballers which were offering 1990’s value for them, and then finally sold after a couple of weeks, at fair market value. As a JM fan myself - a younger model of the demographic, indoctrinated heavily by my familial generations and my cowboy upbringing - I can’t bring myself to pay $1000 for a used rifle which I would have bought 15yrs ago for $400, and 20yrs ago for $300, new off the rack. I’m working on sourcing a rifle for a (whimsy) project, a custom 1894SS in 357/44 B&D, and I’m flat choking on the price I’ll end up paying for the donor rifle - looking only for JM’s, and debating whether I want to simply wait for Ruger to start their production.
 
would you choose a JM over a Ruger, or vice versa in either a 336 or 1894
I have the pre-safety JM's; they're ok but the habitually loose forend trait peeves me. Fell for a .45-70 Remlin that got so bad that it was traded back to the dealer within a month. That being said, I'm really looking forward to the Ruger 336 in 35 Remington! Their "Marlin" site says early 2023 and I'll be happy to pay whatever the price.
 
By all accounts before Remington folded they had the bugs worked out of the ‘Remlins’. Very early on they were rough. I’d buy one if the once over didn’t raise any red flags i.e good wood to metal fit/finish etc. Of all the complaints I read about those early models never heard anything about less than acceptable lever rifle accuracy.
 
They are dragging their feet on the 1894 line.

They need to also bring back the Model 60 but they need to improve the trigger group. Hell, put in a 10/22 trigger group somehow. THAT would be a rifle worth owning.
 
It depends on how well the new Marlins are made. For almost 30 years ANY pre-64 model 70 sold for a premium because it was the only option for a USA made CRF rifle. Even though the ones made during the last 10 years or so of production were already declining in quality.

But by the mid 1990s Ruger was making a quality CRF rifle and Winchester was again making a quality CRF rifle. Add Kimber to the list. It took a while for people to figure it out, but common pre-64's prices have moderated today.

If the new Marlins are perceived to be as well made as the older guns the JM guns prices will also moderate.

But I think there is more to the crazy prices today than just a shortage of Marlin lever action rifles. For whatever reason I believe we've hit a period of nostalgia where shooters simply want lever action rifles. Henry rifles are out there, and they demand a premium too. It isn't just Marlin.
 
They will more than likely always command somewhat of a premium (especially by collectors of the marque) until the new company rolls out enough calibers/versions to meet the current demand/backlog.

If the new Marlins are perceived to be as well made as the older guns the JM guns prices will also moderate.

There are a lot of dynamics working here... not the least of which is market demand and market uncertainty, for whatever reasons.

JM Marlins will continue to command a premium until the Ruger Marlins show up in a quantity, and of a quality, to offset demand for the JM's. Ruger seems to be pushing forward with Marlin production... I would give it a few years for production to catch up with most of the mainstream demand. Many people forget... or try to forget... that the later year JM's weren't All That and a bag of chips, either. The tooling was worn out, and there are plenty of examples of crooked barrels, sights falling off, and other fitment issues.

Remington Marlins, although they fixed their early production problems, will usually be remembered as inferior to the JM's, even though, as I mentioned, the later JM's had their own problems. As long as the market remains strong, the Remingtons will hold their value... but as Ruger starts to fill the demand gap, the Remingtons will become orphans. Savvy buyers that know what to look for should be able to pick up a bargain here and there.

If Ruger can deliver... in quantity, in quality, and in variety... they can recover the lever-gun marketshare quite handily. If they continue to offer some specialty editions, much like their SA revolvers, demand will continue to ratchet up.

Just my .02 worth...
 
I regret not buying the couple JM's I saw on Uncle Henry's classifieds that were in great shape, both $750. I was seeing them around the same time from way reasonable $750 all the way up to $2200 or maybe even more
 
Part of what made Marlins (original and Remington made) desirable is they weren't as expensive as the Henry lever guns. Now they are both around the same price. If Ruger can't bring their stock high enough to drop down the price, they won't sell enough of them to compete. Just my 2 cents.
 
The new Ruger built 1894, at least in the .44 Magnum, will have an improved barrel twist to stabilize heavy for caliber bullets. If the new 1894 rifles are like the Ruger built Marlin1895 rifles they will have several improvements including heat treat pre-machine process and improved timing and will be a better rifle compared to previous iterations particularly in function.

My later Rem-Marlin 1895 SBL is my favorite Marlin rifle of all time. And I do have and have owned numerous JM rifles.

What is new becomes old, what is old becomes new. Who would have ever thought that music digital CDs would fade away and that analog vinyl LPs would out sell CDs in 2022 and is a growing market? What other supposedly obsolete technology survived a newer supposedly superior technology virtually nearly disappearing and then 40 plus years later superseded it? When has that ever happened? Well, it may well happen again when older tech lever guns supersede semi-auto AR platforms. Maybe we are on the cusp of a lever gun renaissance or not but the old goats that complain about 1960 prices compared to now are not buying new rifles, they (us boomers and such) are not the market drivers anymore and ugly black aluminum rifles may have met their match and just do not yet know it.

Long Live The Lever Gun:

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Part of what made Marlins (original and Remington made) desirable is they weren't as expensive as the Henry lever guns. Now they are both around the same price. If Ruger can't bring their stock high enough to drop down the price, they won't sell enough of them to compete. Just my 2 cents.

I definitely wont give the price used ones are going for for a new one or a used JM either.
 
By all accounts before Remington folded they had the bugs worked out of the ‘Remlins’. Very early on they were rough.

A friend bought a Remlin 1894 chambered for 45 Colt a few years ago. I got to check it out and shoot it a bit. Everything was fine, the wood to metal fit was good, and everything worked fine.

Not quite as smooth as this 44-40 Model 1894 of mine that shipped in 1895, but it had a lot of years to get broken in.

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Here is what happened when Remington took over Marlin and moved production to the Remington plant in Ilion NY. The old machinery that Marlin had been using for many years was pretty worn, and the employees were able to milk quality parts from the machinery by knowing just how to tweak the equipment. When Remington bought Marlin, the old machinery was shipped to Ilion. The employees were offered the opportunity to relocate to Ilion, but I do not think any of them took advantage of the offer. So Remington had old, worn out equipment and nobody who knew how to tweak it. So quality suffered. Eventually Remington invested in new CNC equipment, which did not need tweaking, and the quality returned.

I have no idea what will be going on when Ruger starts producing the Marlin line, but I suspect the guns will be the usual Ruger high quality.
 
if the prices were comparable at all, I'd buy new if they were made well and getting good reviews. nothing against older stuff, I own a few older this and thats and they are good, like them shoot them, but - I got older used because it was way way less than a new version of the same thing. if Ruger really starts to pump out good Marlin lever guns in all the varieties, you'll probably see prices on the use Marlin stuff drop off pretty quickly.
 
Not only was the machinery old when they moved it to The Arms, in some cases it had been sabotaged. I think the later Remington's will be ok, but the older JM's with the mythical quality, which I am uncertain of, will continue to hold value. The Ruger's are just not the same. Laminated stocks and threaded barrels. They changed some of the aesthetics of the rifles. Not saying that they are bad or good, just that they are a change. People that like the old school look that Ruger might not bring, will keep buying the older ones. I traded a Remington 700 for a Marlin 336 from the 1990's. It was in excellent shape.
 
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Just my two cents: whoever is making Marlins is still a US company, I think. That said, my ranking would be: original Marlin, Ruger made, Remington made. I have two Winchesters, a great original 92 rifle and a not so great sixties 94 44 mag.
My marlins, 336, 94, and 336-444 are all older and untouchable.
 
The Ruger's are just not the same. Laminated stocks and threaded barrels. They change the aesthetics of the rifles.

The GBL, SBL and TSBL that Ruger currently produce do have laminated stocks and came from JM Marlin and Remington-Marlin with laminated stocks, nothing new or different there for the SBL, GBL and TSBL. Marlin added a threaded barrel whereas JM Marlin fitted some with ports. I would rather a threaded barrel. The new 1894 and 336 from Ruger-Marlin will offer walnut stocks and some will not be threaded, some will be. Because non-Boomers expect threaded barrels apparently. Old folks are not the buyers now, we have been eclipsed by newer generations and threaded barrels are part of that.
 
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