Illinois Politicos want CCW!!!...

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Illinois Considers "Right To Carry" For Some
BY: Lindsey Mastis

WSIL-TV -- Illinois lawmakers are considering a bill that would allow judges, prosecutors and public defenders to carry concealed weapons.
The courthouse is full of records, county business, and felons. State legislators understand some criminals may try to hurt state's attorneys, judges and even public defenders. That's why Representative Mike Bost, along with John Bradley and Brandon Phelps, sponsored a bill to allow these officers of the court to carry.

"The argument is they deal with the people who have already been charged with these crimes," Bost said. "They've proven they don't really care about the law anyway."

Bost says House Bill 1320 would give the right to carry to certain court officials after they are trained, tested, and get a background check.

"It's my opinion that every law abiding citizen who has the proper training should be allowed to carry a weapon for protection," says Williamson County State's Attorney Chuck Garnati. Garnati says he's been threatened before. "It sometimes includes my family."

Carrying would be voluntary. Garnati was asked what he would do, if the bill is passed in the future. "I might consider it, but I don't know."

He says he's never owned a gun, and would have to put more thought into it. Bost says those opposing the bill are afraid it would be one step closer to a complete state-wide concealed weapons law. That's something else Bost says he wouldn't oppose.

A majority of the Illinois house voted for the concealed weapons bill this week. but it fell nine votes shy of the super-majority needed. The bill is expected to be brought up again.
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I am so angry. There was a bill that would have made Illinois shall issue but it did not come out of committee. This had better not pass! I am tired of creating special classes of people who are eligible to exercise their rights without fear of government reprisal.
 
Unless the rest of us are allowed to carry I hope this proposal continues to be voted down. I dont suppport the elitist spirit behind it. A judges life, or the life of any other court employee is no more important than my own. I would rather have CCW for none than NYC style carry.
 
courthouse full of felons that might want to hurt court workers eh?



Then what in the blue fudge is OUTSIDE the courthouses?!



I live in Texas, and this makes me mad! :mad:
 
Elitism is a daily occurance here in Illinois. They tried to pass something like this before but I believe it was shot down. I wonder if the recent shooting at VT will change that?

Even though it has nothing to do with judges and other courtroom officials it might make them think twice.
 
The elitist spirit behind it really rubs me the wrong way. The only good I see in it is if it leads to CCW for all, but I hope it gets shot down again.
 
I do believe Rep. Bost was one of those people that got the special hunting permits too. That said Bost is really one of ours as you know. Bost has been a sponsor for concealed carry bills before, I really don't think its elitism as much as trying to take a step in the right direction. That said I'm not sure what I think of it. On one hand the more people we have carrying in illinois the better. The more nervous I make my political enemies the better even if it means taking small steps instead of one giant step. I also recognize the need to draw the line in the sand at some point and say "if you want this right, you need to push for it to apply equally to everyone."
 
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I do believe Rep. Bost was one of those people that got the special hunting permits too. That said Bost is really one of ours as you know. Bost has been a sponsor for concealed carry bills before, I really don't think its elitism as much as trying to take a step in the right direction. That said I'm not sure what I think of it. On one hand the more people we have carrying in illinois the better. The more nervous I make my political enemies the better even if it means taking small steps instead of one giant step. I also recognize the need to draw the line in the sand at some point and say "if you want this right, you need to push for it to apply equally to everyone."
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Well we could draw the line right here and now.
 
Well we could draw the line right here and now.
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We certainly could, but if it helps get our foot further in the door by making concealed carry more accepted in Illinois it wouldn't be in our best interest to do so, even if we'd feel really good about it. Or are we heading down the road where the police, politicians, and judicial workers will all be armed at which point that will be deemed ideal and the plebes shall remain unarmed? I have no idea. It'd be interesting to call or write bost's office and get more information his position.
 
Another article...

Gun Bill Fails in Illinois House
(WGN) - A measure to allow judges and prosecutors to carry guns has failed in the Illinois House, even though a majority of lawmakers voted for it.

The vote was 62-to-51, but majority Democrats ruled the proposal needed 71 votes because it would overrule local gun-control laws. That prompted Springfield Republican Bill Black to question why Chicago Aldermen are allowed to carry guns.

"How is it that if this takes three-fifth vote...how is it that by state law Chicago Aldermen are peace officers and get to carry a concealed weapon," Black said on the floor of the Illinois House.

Critics of the measure, such as Chicago Democrat John Fritchy, said the bill would open the door to concealed-carry in Ilinois.
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We need to talk to Mr. Bill Black about running for senator.

While I dont see it as opening the door up to CCW anymore than LEOSA did I would like to piss off the Chicago politicians.

However I cant support a law that grants priveledges (because its not a right until anyone can do it) to certain people while those same punish others for doing the same thing as them.
 
Every day type people, not just gun owners need to rise up against this one. How dare goverment politicos act above the people they are supposed to be serving!
 
State legislators understand some criminals may try to hurt state's attorneys, judges and even public defenders. That's why Representative Mike Bost, along with John Bradley and Brandon Phelps, sponsored a bill to allow these officers of the court to carry.

"The argument is they deal with the people who have already been charged with these crimes," Bost said. "They've proven they don't really care about the law anyway."
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This last line actually stunned me. Being charged with a crime automatically equates to PROVEN FACT that they "don't really care about the law."

I think my gut went a little numb from all the vomiting I just did...
 
I think any step towards CCW should be looked upon as a good thing. While this is less then ideal there is something to be said for taking baby steps towards our goal.
 
I am so angry. There was a bill that would have made Illinois shall issue but it did not come out of committee. This had better not pass! I am tired of creating special classes of people who are eligible to exercise their rights without fear of government reprisal.
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Both parties at the national level do this all the time. LEO's got a national carry law before we the people. Its a$$ backwards.
 
Judges, prosecutors and public defenders should be unarmed. Maybe
they would think twice about the creeps they're putting back on the
streets.
 
Courthouse full of felons that might want to hurt court workers , and full of cops and baliffs.

Out in the real world, cops are scarce, and there are a hell of a lot of felons that might want to hurt people, and will probably hurt many people, before they ever end up in court.
 
I understand others in a CCW state think of it as "elitism", and in a way it is, but its a baby step (really a HUGE step) for IL. A small crack in the dike can lead to a broken down dam.

Plus Chuck and other downstate Dems nailed it!

Jerry
 
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