Crow1108
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This happened on facebook of all places. A friend of mine posted that she had just seen Bowling for Columbine, and asked if anyone had any thoughts on it. Here's pretty much how the whole thing went down. Names have been changed.
Crow1108
Yes. I don't believe gun control makes for a safer society.
Cindy
I used to be against guns, til I married a cop. Now I am confused.... Just wondering what everyone else thinks though I know few will want to touch this with a 10-foot pole
Crow1108
Here's how I see it: I don't think the problem lies in objects that are commonly available. The problem lies with how people raise their children, and the values that are imparted on them. I was raised around firearms. I learned to respect them from an early age, and I know what can happen if they are not respected. I also grew up playing videogames and watching "R" rated movies, but I always knew where the line between fiction and fact lay.
I can respect someone's opinion if they don't want to have guns in their house, but I don't believe their opinion should necessarily translate into legislation that dictates what someone else cannot own. In England, where such legislation makes firearms ownership prohibitive, there are still stories of criminals doing harm to law-abiding citizens, and those citizens don't have an effective means of protection. There are evil people in this world, and a documentary produced by Michael Moore ain't gonna make them go away.
Joe
The naivete of some Americans sometimes leaves me speechless/breathless. I take it you've lived in England? Crime is crime and will happen with or without guns. GUN CRIME on the other hand, and shootings and the murder rate is far higher in the US, per capita, than it is in England. Why? Simple. Guns. You've never murdered anyone or shot anyone and you grew up around guns, right? Well, then gosh darn, they MUST be safe/completely harmless. Do you know the figures for people who "accidentally" shoot people? All this is moot, though. You cannot have a serious discussion about gun control with most American gun supporters because they've been brainwashed for generations into believing the bxxxsxxx the NRA and the Republican Party (and certainly some of the Democratic party) have been espousing. "Why, not liking guns (or baseball or hot dogs or RELIGION) is un-American dammit!!!"
Cindy
I knew a Michael Moore documentary would invoke some serious discussion! Thanks guys for sharing two very different viewpoints.
Crow1108
That's right Joe. All of my friends who own firearms and I have never shot or murdered anyone. At the same time, I do not personally know anyone who has accidentally shot someone either.In fact, accidental shootings can be almost completely eliminated if everyone who owned firearms respected them and followed a few basic rules.
And I have never said that owning firearms was American. I did, however, say that I can respect someones views if they don't wish to have firearms in their homes. I just can't respect the views of someone who wants to encroach upon my right to own whatever I want. It's that whole "We know what's good for you, better than you know yourself" mentality I can't wrap my mind around.
Crow1108
As for the "Bxxx Sxxx the NRA and Republican party have been exposing", just read a few news stories. There was one a few months ago about a woman who was raped repeatedly, the guy got off, came back to rape her again, and she successfully defended herself and stopped the bxxxxxx. Some violent, drugged-up scumbag isn't going to be stopped from hurting my family if I join hands with him around a campfire and sing cum-bey-ya, and he's not gonna be stopped from shanking me with a rusty screwdriver if I stop to analyze his childhood.
No, I have not lived in England, but I do like to keep abreast of many news services (and you thought I just read fox news), and the number of news stories about gang violence over there is staggering. I have, however, lived in Japan and in spite of stringent firearms laws, I still saw many news stories about how the Yakuza are still able to bring firearms into Japan.
Thoughts? Comments? I thought it was funny (and pretty telling) how the guy capitalized religion in his part of the debate. We'll see how this one develops over the next few days.
Crow1108
Yes. I don't believe gun control makes for a safer society.
Cindy
I used to be against guns, til I married a cop. Now I am confused.... Just wondering what everyone else thinks though I know few will want to touch this with a 10-foot pole
Crow1108
Here's how I see it: I don't think the problem lies in objects that are commonly available. The problem lies with how people raise their children, and the values that are imparted on them. I was raised around firearms. I learned to respect them from an early age, and I know what can happen if they are not respected. I also grew up playing videogames and watching "R" rated movies, but I always knew where the line between fiction and fact lay.
I can respect someone's opinion if they don't want to have guns in their house, but I don't believe their opinion should necessarily translate into legislation that dictates what someone else cannot own. In England, where such legislation makes firearms ownership prohibitive, there are still stories of criminals doing harm to law-abiding citizens, and those citizens don't have an effective means of protection. There are evil people in this world, and a documentary produced by Michael Moore ain't gonna make them go away.
Joe
The naivete of some Americans sometimes leaves me speechless/breathless. I take it you've lived in England? Crime is crime and will happen with or without guns. GUN CRIME on the other hand, and shootings and the murder rate is far higher in the US, per capita, than it is in England. Why? Simple. Guns. You've never murdered anyone or shot anyone and you grew up around guns, right? Well, then gosh darn, they MUST be safe/completely harmless. Do you know the figures for people who "accidentally" shoot people? All this is moot, though. You cannot have a serious discussion about gun control with most American gun supporters because they've been brainwashed for generations into believing the bxxxsxxx the NRA and the Republican Party (and certainly some of the Democratic party) have been espousing. "Why, not liking guns (or baseball or hot dogs or RELIGION) is un-American dammit!!!"
Cindy
I knew a Michael Moore documentary would invoke some serious discussion! Thanks guys for sharing two very different viewpoints.
Crow1108
That's right Joe. All of my friends who own firearms and I have never shot or murdered anyone. At the same time, I do not personally know anyone who has accidentally shot someone either.In fact, accidental shootings can be almost completely eliminated if everyone who owned firearms respected them and followed a few basic rules.
And I have never said that owning firearms was American. I did, however, say that I can respect someones views if they don't wish to have firearms in their homes. I just can't respect the views of someone who wants to encroach upon my right to own whatever I want. It's that whole "We know what's good for you, better than you know yourself" mentality I can't wrap my mind around.
Crow1108
As for the "Bxxx Sxxx the NRA and Republican party have been exposing", just read a few news stories. There was one a few months ago about a woman who was raped repeatedly, the guy got off, came back to rape her again, and she successfully defended herself and stopped the bxxxxxx. Some violent, drugged-up scumbag isn't going to be stopped from hurting my family if I join hands with him around a campfire and sing cum-bey-ya, and he's not gonna be stopped from shanking me with a rusty screwdriver if I stop to analyze his childhood.
No, I have not lived in England, but I do like to keep abreast of many news services (and you thought I just read fox news), and the number of news stories about gang violence over there is staggering. I have, however, lived in Japan and in spite of stringent firearms laws, I still saw many news stories about how the Yakuza are still able to bring firearms into Japan.
Thoughts? Comments? I thought it was funny (and pretty telling) how the guy capitalized religion in his part of the debate. We'll see how this one develops over the next few days.