freakaccident
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On the subject though, in my personal opinion carrying a .22 for protection is a HORRIBLE idea. IF you don't hit your mark you will be sorry. My experience could have turned out much worse. Stopping power is necessary and you can not piss off an attacker with a .22 unless you shoot them in the eye.
I currently carry a S&W Airweight .38 with Corbon +P loaded. I have taken classes and feel much more confident if the situation were to arise again.
For the guys saying they trust a .22, I have a story.
I was in the hospital ER. I was waiting for my turn when a guy walked in leaking blood on the floor. It turns out he had been shot "twice" in the stomach with a .22. They rushed him to the back. Two hours later I was in a room in back when I heard two doctors talking. The guy had died in surgery. He thought he had been shot twice but had been shot six times.
The point became real clear to me. You can shoot a guy six times with a .22 and he won't even realize it. To make matters worse he could very well live another 90 minutes. That means he will have plenty of time to keep attacking.
For me a .380 or .38spl is the absolute minimum for self protection. Personally I lean more towards a 3"+ barrel and 9mm 124gr +P as the minimum for comfort.
For me a .380 or .38spl is the absolute minimum for self protection. Personally I lean more towards a 3"+ barrel and 9mm 124gr +P as the minimum for comfort.
The jump in performance going from .32 to .380 with a modern round like Corbon DPX+P is pretty darned big.
The jump from .380 to 9mm, especially 9mm+P+, is pretty big too.
All jumps thereafter show minimal, if any, gains until you get to the big ole' .45 rounds.
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I guess it wasn't shot with a big enough caliber "bore."
If you needed verification that a .35 cal FMJ to the gut is not a fight stopping wound, you have it here. I am curious, had the shot been an " or two right or left, and severed his spine, would you be saying how great a stopper .380 is?WellI hate to be the bearer of bad news but - my best friend was shot with a .380 to the gut from about 5ft away. It didn't put him down at all. We walked all the way to my house to call 911 since this was before cell phones. This was about a half mile - he wouldn't even sit down until I forced him. The bullet went in and out. It really messed him up inside He had to be life flighted to the hospital, but it didn't immediately incapacitate him at all. We were 15 at the time.
We were robbed on the way home from school. He wouldn't give them anything so they shot him and took off. They were caught and I think the guy did about 3.5 years for aggravated assault and some weapons charge not sure exactly.
Ammo selection. There is no round in .32acp that shows anything near the performance of a round like .380 corbon DPX+P in tests. I've seen 3 tests of it, and the expansion has been between .645"avg-.70+" avg in all of them. Penetration has been in the 9"-11" avg range, depending on the test.And why is that? Make your case.
I agree that .357 magnum, 9mm, .38spl +P+, .38 Super, 40 and .357 sig are pretty much one as good as the other. I don't see any real difference in terminal performance between them at all when top loads are compared. However, the .45 can get nearly 1" expansion in a lot of tests. A 1" hole is a 1" hole. I think that sets it apart to a degree.Eh, in my opinion, there's hardly any jump between 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP at all, as they can all penetrate well enough while expanding a fair amount, and there's only a small fraction of an inch difference between them.
If you needed verification that a .35 cal FMJ to the gut is not a fight stopping wound, you have it here. I am curious, had the shot been an " or two right or left, and severed his spine, would you be saying how great a stopper .380 is?
In freak accident's specific story, a .38spl+P may very well have continued on through the arm and into the chest, instead of just a few small fragments hitting his BG in the chest.Are you trying to say that a .38 Special+P round has some kind of "stopping power" that would have stopped your determined assailant with a shot to the arm, or any other shot that doesn't hit the mark? I seriously doubt that there is any such thing with regard to handgun calibers.
Are you trying to say that a .38 Special+P round has some kind of "stopping power" that would have stopped your determined assailant with a shot to the arm, or any other shot that doesn't hit the mark? I seriously doubt that there is any such thing with regard to handgun calibers.
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Ammo selection. There is no round in .32acp that shows anything near the performance of a round like .380 corbon DPX+P in tests. I've seen 3 tests of it, and the expansion has been between .645"avg-.70+" avg in all of them. Penetration has been in the 9"-11" avg range, depending on the test.
I think the 9mm has a big edge over the .380 because the same DPX round weighs more, delivers more than double the energy, and drives deeper into the target. And there are just countless top ammo selections available in 9mm, some delivering over 500fpe of energy.
I truly believe that stopping power has far, far more to do with the will to fight in the bad guy (or the good guy) than it does with caliber, bullet selection, or even shot placement.
Some people will get hit with a fatal hit and keep fighting regardless until they bleed out. Doesn't matter what they get hit with. 12ga shotgun, .50bmg, there are unbelievable accounts of people soaking up massive punishment in battle and still fighting on.