Why hasn't the market for a good disposable gun been filled?

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Not a Jimenez Arms-type Saturday night speciall, but rather something designed to function well for a few uses. Maintain the high standards and quality control, with lower manufacturing costs and a lower price.

Sure, there is a market for high performance quality instruments. Hunters, competitors, daily grinders. But most guns are the equivalent of having a fully rack of of heart surgery equipment for trimming a hangnail.

Guns are designed to be heirlooms. Massive quantities of firearms sit in drawers, on shelves, under pillows, for untold years. I speculate the majority of hand guns in the US were bought for home defense and haven't been shot 1,000 times. A home defense gun has to be 100% reliable when needed, but they don't all need to be 100% reliable for thousands and thousands of rounds.

For context: a pistol channels an explosion once a second or so; a lawn mower handles 3000 explosions per minute, ~ one day a week for years. An ipod is vastly more complicated than a pump shotgun. The consequences of catastrophic failure of a fire alarm, seat belt, or canning food are comparable to a gun failing when it is needed to defend life.

Baby car seat manufacturers and bicycle helmet makers recommend trashing their product if it has been used once, because it might possibly not be safe. Why is the idea of carrying a gun that broke and needed to be repaired, still socially acceptable?

It seems to me that there is an untapped market for a gun - with the same high standards of safety for the operator, accuracy and ergonomics - that could be trashed after a hunting trip/range trip rather than being cleaned.

Or if not a fully disposable gun, one with disposable parts to spread out the costs. Maybe a barrel that needs replacement every 500 rounds (send the used one back by mail, netflix style). Or trigger assemblies that pop in and out with no more difficulty than a printer cartridge. Put a color-change indicator in the plastic parts, for when they begin to overstress.

Along the same lines, I predict that society will eventually expect bullets to be sold already loaded into reliable, plastic-wrapped, fully-loaded magazines. Thumbing bullets into reusable magazines will seem outdated and dubious, something only hand-loaders and the military still does.
 
Really? If it were built "good" why would one dispose it?

The makers of most firearms have been for the last 50 years or so trying to make firearms and their parts in the most cost effective way. If it could be done cheaply and safely someone would have done it by now. The US has made the liberator and CIA deer gun, but those are the only true throw-away guns I know of.
 
If there was a true market for what you are talking about it would have been filled.
 
How exactly would one practice with a gun designed only to work a few times? Unless you are actually suggesting someone carry or use a gun that they have not actually practiced with?

All in all, this seems like a terrible idea.
 
How does one design a reciprocating machine that works reliably a for a "few uses", but is still safe, but cheap? It's kind of manufacturing anachronism.

Yes, you can design a barrel to accept 10-20 rounds through it. But then what happens? Will the barrel pop? Or will the butter-soft rifling just start sending shots wild?

The Liberator pistol is a great example. But it's not a mass-market weapon. It was expected to be used in dire emergencies only, and there wasn't the liabilities involved as it was a government weapon.

Although....I suppose you could make something dead simple. I'm imagining something like a Contender pistol. Break-open, single shot. Solid molded plastic grip. Very simple trigger assembly. Rifled steel or aluminum barrel.
 
I think they're called Hi Points. It's a pretty sweet deal because you can throw them away or send them back to the factory for repairs. Your choice.
 
Wouldn't it be best for people to practice with their defense gun? (Or any gun, for that matter.) With a disposable gun, you'd have to throw it away after the first rounds of practice, so then it's quite useless for its purpose, I'd think.

Edit: Ah, Ragnar just beat me! Nevermind this post then.
 
its called a Glock.

though they have kinda priced them a tad higher than 'disposable' connotes
if i was concerned about the law taking my gun following a self-defense event; i sure as heck would not miss it.
 
I only know of two guns that were ever designed to be used once and then discarded, both products of the OSS during the second World War. One was the "Liberator" single shot .45, designed to help a Resistance Fighter kill an enemy, and liberate his gun, the other was the "Stinger", a single-shot .22 built to look like a pocket pen, designed to help an agent escape capture in an emergency. The "Stinger" was welded together, so it couldn't be reloaded after firing.
 
Liability would make such an instrument impractical. There would always be someone looking to get one more use out of it then Kaboom. I actually like the fact that guns are the only thing I can think of which will generally outlast us. We really don't own our guns, we just care take them for the next generation.
 
Closest I can think of currently is the plastic signal flair pistols sold in a kit for boaters.
By the time you use up the flairs, you pretty much used up the plastic pistol too.

I don't think the idea would carry over to well to a real handgun.

Not everyone would throw them away when they reached the end of their useful life and figure out a way to keep using them.

That would result in "A Series of Unfortunate Events" and somebody getting hurt.
And that would result in big lawsuits for the manufacture.

rc
 
Mossberg also makes its "Just In Case" JIC Model 500 pistol-grip shotgun that's designed to be kept in its air and water tight case until you need to unseal it and use it in an "emergency". It looks like it's designed for people who aren't normally shooters, but feel they may someday need a gun to protect themselves after a natural disaster or some other SHTF calamity.
 
I think making it safe and reliable while NOT being durable would be an engineering challenge in itself.

Also remember that what you are paying for in a pistol is likely largely R&D, manufacturing, taxes... not materials. A pound of steel and plastic doesn't cost ~$600-1k. R&D, and manufacturing using some theoretical less durable materials would likely cost about the same as they do with current materials, resulting in a product for which the cost of a "disposable" item would not be acceptable.
 
In Lee Correy's (G. Harry Stine) Manna, set in a libertarian country in Africa (riiight), you could buy an inexpensive blister packed loaded gun at the airport or train station on the way in so you could exercise your rights immediately.
 
Are there "Saturday night special" laws against those types of cheap or disposable guns or was that just media hype?
I don't think I'd want to trust my life to a gun with an expiration date on it "Best if used before 1/21/2011"
 
I'm surprised noone has brought up the S&W attempt to do this.

The one of the original Sigmas...I think it was the .380 model...was designed for a useful life of 2500 rounds. The uproar was deafening, with screams of the fall of Western civilization accompanying the claims of potmetal and zinc; although I don't personally know of anyone who has shot their Sigma, much less any other .380 2500 times.

I would think the liability would be the greatest hindrance to this production...you just know someone would try to push the limits
 
Most of those companies went out of business and the products were banned in some states. I have a .22 rifle made by Daisy nade of plastic
with a steel barrel liner and bolt. Many companies make plastic frame pistols now but they are too expensive to throw away.Everything cost money to make. You can make a cheap gun but aside from numerous legal issues, I wouldn't want to shoot one.
 
What would be the point of it?
And with surplus and used guns, how much would you really pay for one? Why buy a disposable gun for $50 when you can have a Mosin for around $80 that will easily last the next fifty years without breaking a sweat?
 
DoubleTapDrew Are there "Saturday night special" laws against those types of cheap or disposable guns or was that just media hype?
The Gun Control Act of 1968 was a misguided attempt to prevent public access to inexpensive guns..."Saturday Night Specials". The GCA '68 is rooted in racism when you consider the race riots, civil unrest and asassinations of RFK & MLK in the late '60's. The availability of inexpensive handguns to inner city blacks terrified many in government.

Part of the GCA '68 was a prohibition on the importation of cheap, inexpensive handguns. That prohibition continues to this day. For a idea of what constitutes a nonimportable handgun see the below link on the ATF website. This is why we can't get Glock .380's, Baby Brownings, etc., they don't accrue enough points to allow them to be imported.
Factoring Criteria for Weapons:http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-5.pdf
 
Why hasn't the market for a good dispoable gun been filled?

Simple: because there isn't one. A 'market' that is. There is no demand for a disposable gun. No demand, no supply...and no market.
 
Why would you want to fool with registering a disposable product?

The "market" hasn't been filled because there is no market. Also, even if the product is only intended to last 100 rounds, it has to be constructed very well to be reliable for those 100 rounds. If you put the effort into designing it and constructing it such that it will function reliably, you might as well make it last forever.
 
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