My step daughter was a victim....

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of public education indoctrination. I open carry everyday, wherever I go (except where prohibited by law, of course). My step daughter loves that I open carry.

She has to complete an 8th grade project about a controversial Constitutional subject. She chose the second amendment. She was at her biological dad's house this weekend working on the project and texted me for help:

Her: "would u find what the common good and individual rights r for having more firearm safety laws r??? and who is involved?

Me: "Sure. Send you something in a little bit in email."

Her: "i am trying to prove tht we should have more gun protection laws."

Me: "Is that the way you feel? Or do you think you have to prove that for the assignment? The evidence and studies show that Americans are safer where there are less gun control laws. It would be much easier to show that evidence, rather than trying to show that more gun control laws make people safer."

Her: "how does less gun control make people safer????"

Me: "I can send you the facts in email. The states that have more gun control laws have higher crime rates. In Washington D.C. the crime rate went up after their handgun ban. When the Supreme Court struck down the handgun ban, the crime rate went down. That's just a couple examples."

Her: "Ok I guess ill go with the less gun control"

We've all been together for about two years now, and I open carried on my first date with her mom. That just goes to show you the powerful indoctrination our kids are getting in public school. She thought that way even though she has seen me open carry daily, seen me interact with police.... When one guy said I should cover up my gun because his little girl asked him about it, my step daughter told me later I should have just told him that I was not a criminal and only criminals needed to hide their guns! :D

Anyway... I "armed" her with the facts, and showed her how the anti-gun groups twisted statistics to support their false opinions. Right now I think she is just being an eighth grader and just wants to get the project done to graduate, but I am sure some of it will sink in.

Don't let your guard down, folks.....
 
One of the million and a half reasons I'm going to do everything humanly possible to never subject my kids to the public school system.
 
Catholic schools are much better in this regard. The one I went to was rather pro-gun, actually. One history teacher brought in an antique musket for a class on the Civil War.
 
Move here.....

Your problem isn't the schools.....it's the community you chose to live in. Teachers and schools are simply a reflection of their community values. Antigun agendas don't exactly fly in my state, city or county.

I have two dozen customers who are employees of those public schools you dislike so much. I have another dozen or so who are the spouses of public school employees. Our school district has the NRA Eddie Eagle books in each of our elementary school libraries...and it's displayed, not hidden in the stacks.

One Texas ISD even allows teachers to carry concealed on campus.
 
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my step daughter told me later I should have just told him that I was not a criminal and only criminals needed to hide their guns!
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She's one sharp thinker!
 
My high school was 50-50. It just wasn't really a big deal, because no one really brought it up. I remember one of my history/gov teachers saying that the second amendment was meant to protect our rights, but that it doesn't mean that we should be able to keep an AK-47 in a closet. For what its worth, he had us take the US Citizenship test for our final, and many of the questions asked what the most important part of the constitution was, or what part is most essential to ensuring freedom. I put "The Second Ammendment" for all of them :evil:

I remember another teacher telling us to hurry up and get out of the classroom because "My new shotgun came in today, and I want to go pick it up NOW!"

Sorry if that was a bit off topic.

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
 
32 years as a public school teacher and a lot of us in our school absolutely hold to our 2nd amend. rights. We even argue with the other side at lunch. All of us have carry permits. A lady came to present a teacher institute that was aimed at home and community safety. She stated that we should strive to make our community gun free and teach accordingly. The high school spanish teacher said she will never give up her AK and I told the lady that there were enough guns owned in the room to equip a small army. She never mentioned that issue again.
Upstate Pa. is no place for a liberal gun agenda!
 
My granddaughters are 6 and 11. They both enjoy helping me reload. Every time they visit, they ask me, "Papa, can we make a bullet?"

Excuse me while I encourage that...
 
dogtown tom said:
Move here.....
Your problem isn't the schools.....it's the community you chose to live in. Teachers and schools are simply a reflection of their community values. Antigun agendas don't exactly fly in my state, city or county.
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Thank you for the invite.... but..... you're in Texas. That's just a little bit incompatible with:

I open carry everyday, wherever I go
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:D

Anyway... the school isn't 100% anti. Her science teacher approved a science project of hers to determine if a red dot site on a handgun contributed to more accurate shot placement. :D
 
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My wife is a teacher and while she is pro gun and a NRA member most of her coworkers are anti gun, anti military and if you really pressed them on their views....anti America. They won't come out and say it but get them to answer a few leading questions and you'll see that they do not believe anything good has come out of this country.
But I'm getting a bit off target.
My daughter had a police officer speak to her Elementary School class one day. He told them that no one needed a gun or actually had the right to own one. Of course a large portion of the class came from hunting and gun owning families so the officer was suprised by all of the dissent that he got. I think his feelings were hurt.
I remember a day when my daughter came home and told us about a survey the kids were given in which they answered questions about whether they were Conservative or Liberal. One of the questions asked if you believe that everyone should be able to own a firearm. My daughter pointed out that Conservatives don't believe that criminals, crazies and children should be able to own guns. The teacher disagreed. She said that Conservatives believe that everyone should be able to own guns. Of course my daughter knew she was lying and twisting the facts.
Those in the education system are very biased, have no issue lying and are largely anti gun.
I can't wait until my daughter is in college. I can only imagine the indoctrination that they push on the students.
 
I was just about to comment on that. For being a pro gun state, and not tolerating "anti gun bs" you would think Texas would be an open carry state. Always boggles my mind.


She is lucky to have a knowledgeable and helpful step dad. It's great that you are able to get along with your step daughter. So very often that isn't the case unfortunately.

On the second thought maybe she is hustling you! She knows how pro gun you are and decided to fenangle info out of you!
 
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It's a downside to Texas, it's true. (That open carry isn't legal.) It's actually been remarked on by several friends of mine who know I've lived there and plan to again. They've all been surprised when I explain that not only do Texans typically *not* wear guns around openly, but they're prohibited from doing so.

Something to help work on next time I live there :)

timothy
 
Catholic schools are much better in this regard.
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The one near me is as far left as you can go, suprised that the Bible is still taught at that Catholic school. I myself am finishing up my Senior year at a Christian school that is the best place for a Christian to go to school, we even have a rifle team!
 
An "anti" high school teacher of mine brought up gun control one class and, knowing class plans ahead of time, had prepared accordingly. Myself and other pro 2nd amendment classmates understood that less gun control had led to lower crime rates, but had not prepared examples and did not know any off of the top of our heads....

Long story short, that was a good class to be an anti in, and our teacher felt that she had won when the bell rang.
However, the next day guess who came to class with examples? And guess which teacher was speechless.....

No, we did not make it a slap in the face. We started class by saying that we had prepared, and were ready to defend what we felt was right, and that, being a government class, she should let us do so since she had been able to prepare for the previous class.

She most likely would have stopped us before we began, but our pro-gun principal was in the room when we began ;)
 
I currently go to a public high school that is relatively liberal, ergo anti guns. The majority of my teachers lean to the left and make occasional comments about guns being bad, etcetera, and most of the textbooks are extremely liberal. Yet, my political beliefs are extremely right wing and pro gun. It doesn't matter what kind of indoctrination a school pumps into you, it's what your parents/home environment teach you. My parents have taught me about guns and the positive side of firearms as well as explaining their political beliefs to me from a very early age. This has had a much more profound impact on my mental views than public school ever has/will. I will keep this in mind when/if I become a parent.
 
A great teacher........

A great teacher knows how to stimulate discussion & debate. Making an outrageous comment or taking an unpopular stance WILL do that. Don't take every word at face value.

My seventh grade geography teacher would argue that man didn't actually walk on the moon.....it was a NASA simulation that we saw the year before.
That led to some interesting parent meetings.:D
 
Libertarians support complete separation of school and state. Public school is based on a collectivist mindset that sees the individual as no better than the least member of society or the weakest link. Here is a prime example: When I was in high school one talented bad egg was drawing dirty cartoons on the bathroom walls of the principal pleasuring himself. The schools response was to make it against the rules for ANY student to have a magic marker at school. I nearly got suspended for having a magic marker in my back pocket even though I was in art class and on the way to an art project. My art teacher got me released with a warning. Gun laws are just like this. They presume everyone is a criminal before the fact based only on possession of a tool with the potential of misuse.
 
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Owen Sparks, unfortunately, it seems like a lot of our laws are made using that public school mindset these days. One crazy guy shoots a congresswoman and legislators respond by trying to introduce legislation to take high-cap mags away from ~318,000,000 people.
 
Your problem isn't the schools.....it's the community you chose to live in. Teachers and schools are simply a reflection of their community values.
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As much as I agree with your premise, I also believe that the solution is to push back against the status quo in anti-gun cities/states.

I'm not a militant Open Carry advocate per se (I'm not sure I would ever do it if it were legal here in Texas) but I would love to see the law passed to allow it.

If we can get the general population to quit fearing normal citizens who choose to protect themselves (and we can frame the discussion in these terms) we may begin to make some serious progress.

I am not an eloquent speaker, but I try to introduce one new shooter per month to the shooting sport (mostly co-workers). Start with (and remain focused on) safety, get them shooting a .22, and they will have fun.
 
Any time you are seen as part of a group, (society in this case), you are seen as no better than the least common denomonator of that group and laws are designed for the weakest link. Therefore, if there is one idiot who can't be trusted with a gun then NOBODY can have a gun except for the government of course. This is in direct opposition of the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" where the burden of proof is on the accuser (the government) rather than the individual who is now required to prove himself compitent and pay fees before being allowed to exercise a constitutional right.
 
Owen Sparks said:
Gun laws are just like this. They presume everyone is a criminal before the fact based only on posession of a tool with the potential of misuse.
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Any rule that removes the need for cognitive thought will frequently be abused. Look at the way the RIAA, Sony, Microsoft, and the MPAA treat their customers now.
 
tkaction said:
The high school spanish teacher said she will never give up her AK and I told the lady that there were enough guns owned in the room to equip a small army.
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WELL STATED! She probably turned as white as a sheet! :evil:
 
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