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henschman said:
They are OK, but when you can get a PSA for the same money or less, it just doesn't make sense to bother with DPMS.
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I have lowers from both and fail to see any appreciable difference between them. Aluminum alloy forging with same internals built to the same standards and tolerance.

The trigger seems long and mushy on the PSA compared to the DPMS, but I only have a couple thousand rounds through the PSA rig so far. It may improve as it breaks in some more.
 
henschman said:
They are OK, but when you can get a PSA for the same money or less, it just doesn't make sense to bother with DPMS.
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PSA has had problems. They are quick to rectify, but they are not without issues. My only contact with DPMS was when I damaged a rifle (LR308) and their customer support helped me straighten it out.

DPMS moves a bunch of iron in the low-price space. They will have more problems overall than some other manufacturers because they ship high volume.

The only concern I have with them is that they were recently bought out by CCM the same people who nearly sank Chrysler and have ruined Remington.
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Cerberus bought DPMS in 2007, and already owned Remington and Bushmaster at that point. Any big changes have already happened. As for ruining Remington, that was already happening. And Daimler and the global economy were already ruining Chrysler.
 
RCArms.com said:
I have lowers from both and fail to see any appreciable difference between them. Aluminum alloy forging with same internals built to the same standards and tolerance.

The trigger seems long and mushy on the PSA compared to the DPMS, but I only have a couple thousand rounds through the PSA rig so far. It may improve as it breaks in some more.
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When comparing DPMS to PSA you well find the upper/lower/LPK are for practical purposes identical. What is different is the heart of the rifle, the barrel and BCG. The PSA meets the mil-spec, DPMS does not. The materials and testing does make a difference in quality. That does not make DPMS a poorly made rifle, although some may need a little PM out of the box.
 
I think that it depends on what a person is going to do with it. I have a DPMS that I shoot in NRA Highpower and it does great. In the circle of guys that I am around at these shoots, the Rock River seems to be the one they all like the most. But, on the other side of the coin, I also have a Colt M4 that is an awesome gun also. From what I have found out from being around the 'M4' kind of people. The DPMS, Rock River, Bushmaster and the like, are just pure trash. They think that they can't be reliable and might even cause a bad guy to pick on you because of having a junk brand AR. I don't know, but I ain't had any problem with any of the AR's that I have. Love both of them for what they are used for.

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madcratebuilder said:
When comparing DPMS to PSA you well find the upper/lower/LPK are for practical purposes identical. What is different is the heart of the rifle, the barrel and BCG. The PSA meets the mil-spec, DPMS does not. The materials and testing does make a difference in quality. That does not make DPMS a poorly made rifle, although some may need a little PM out of the box.
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x2. When it comes to lowers, one is as good as another. I wouldn't hesitate to use a DPMS lower for a build, if it was the best price I could find, or if I found a deal on one at a gun show or something. It's just there to drop the hammer and hold the stock on -- all the important stuff is in the upper. And as was mentioned, the difference between DPMS and PSA is in the upper. The PSA's have several things the DPMS' don't... namely chrome lined barrels, 1/7 twist rather than 1/9, and individually high pressure tested and magnetic particle inspected barrels and bolts. Also I'm not sure whether DPMS nowadays uses M-4 feed ramps and properly stakes their gas keys, but I know they didn't in the past, and PSA does.

As was mentioned, that doesn't mean DPMS is junk... If I had one sitting in my closet that I bought in years past, I wouldn't be running out to sell it or anything. But if you don't already have a rifle and you're trying to decide which one to buy, I would say under current market conditions it doesn't make much sense to buy a DPMS when you can get a rifle with more features and quality assurance for as cheap or cheaper. That's all I'm saying.
 
henschman said:
x2. When it comes to lowers, one is as good as another. I wouldn't hesitate to use a DPMS lower for a build, if it was the best price I could find, or if I found a deal on one at a gun show or something. It's just there to drop the hammer and hold the stock on -- all the important stuff is in the upper. And as was mentioned, the difference between DPMS and PSA is in the upper. The PSA's have several things the DPMS' don't... namely chrome lined barrels, 1/7 twist rather than 1/9, and individually high pressure tested and magnetic particle inspected barrels and bolts. Also I'm not sure whether DPMS nowadays uses M-4 feed ramps and properly stakes their gas keys, but I know they didn't in the past, and PSA does.

As was mentioned, that doesn't mean DPMS is junk... If I had one sitting in my closet that I bought in years past, I wouldn't be running out to sell it or anything. But if you don't already have a rifle and you're trying to decide which one to buy, I would say under current market conditions it doesn't make much sense to buy a DPMS when you can get a rifle with more features and quality assurance for as cheap or cheaper. That's all I'm saying.
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My DPMS 14.5" M4 Upper has the M4 feed ramps and Chromed Barrel from the factory. Runs like a champ.

I just built a 16" Lightweight Carbine with my daughter using a DPMS upper, non-chrome standard ramps.

My other DPMS rifles wear various uppers, M16A1, S&W 5.45x36, RRA 7" 9mm.
My PSA wears a Colt Lightweight 16".

As for the uppers, I don't know if PSA makes their own uppers and barrels. My guess is that like most other manufacturers, they may make thwe upper receiver, but contract out the barrel and bolt parts. I believe that DPMS contracts out the barrels being that's what they said they were waiting on for rifles and uppers last year.
 
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"Also DPMS has never supplied AR parts to the US Military."

From the company's official website: "DPMS (Defence Procurement Manufacturing Services) was founded in 1985 by Randy Luth as a small government contract consulting company. The company served as a precision machine shop manufacturing M-16, M-14 and M203 parts for Army contracts."

http://www.dpmsinc.com/Company-History_ep_48-1.html
 
My DPMS 14.5" M4 Upper has the M4 feed ramps and Chromed Barrel from the factory. Runs like a champ.
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It's good to see DPMS is stepping up and offering at least some chrome lined rifles, though it only seems to be on their SBR's. It looks like they are still only offering 1/9 twist though. I like being able to run the heavier bullets up to 77 grain if I want.

How much did you pay for that 14.5" rifle?
 
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I have a DPMS Sweet 16". It has a stainless bull barrel and I had them flute it. What a great rifle! I shopped around and for the price I couldn't touch a colt.
Function has been flawless. Accuracy is good.

3 shot group at 200 yards.
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Here is mine. I'm waiting to buy better optics, but I keep shooting up my scope money!! :what: The Houge Grip is well worth the money!
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While DPMS may not be total junk, there's simply no reason, now a days, to buy one over a Colt/BCM/DD for the same price.
 
bri said:
While DPMS may not be total junk, there's simply no reason, now a days, to buy one over a Colt/BCM/DD for the same price.
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:eek: Maybe a used one?

DPMS rifles are great. I have a DD upper and it shoots just like the DPMS. If you want to pay more for a pony on the side go ahead. Note, I haven't shot a STAG, COLT, PSA, or BCM AR-15, but I bet they go boom just like a DPMS.
 
These post come up every month and the M4Carbine group comes in with the Junk statement. While a Operator (Military/Police) need to have the best of the best for Life and Death situations. The average plinker/hunter can maintain a DPMS or any other lower CHART rifle to the standards they are going to ask of it. Next we will see a link to Grant's website where someone will point out that a Colt cost less than suspected... But they are never in stock... OP buy it, shoot it, enjoy it.
 
GCMkc said:
:eek: Maybe a used one?

DPMS rifles are great. I have a DD upper and it shoots just like the DPMS. If you want to pay more for a pony on the side go ahead. Note, I haven't shot a STAG, COLT, PSA, or BCM AR-15, but I bet they go boom just like a DPMS.
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+1. Paying premium for a roll mark...goofy.
 
I have never owned a fully DPMS rifle, but I used DPMS parts on some builds, and was not satisfied with them. The barrel I used was advertised as an lightweight A1 style, but the front sight tower was just an A2 with an A1 sight stuck in it. Had to bottom the sight out to get it to zero with a genuine Colt A1 upper. Used a DPMS selector lever, and it had 4 positions instead of the two it should have had. Strangely enough, when I replaced the DPMS lever with one of those highfalutin' Colt ones, it worked....
 
txgunsuscg said:
I have never owned a fully DPMS rifle, but I used DPMS parts on some builds, and was not satisfied with them. The barrel I used was advertised as an lightweight A1 style, but the front sight tower was just an A2 with an A1 sight stuck in it. Had to bottom the sight out to get it to zero with a genuine Colt A1 upper. Used a DPMS selector lever, and it had 4 positions instead of the two it should have had. Strangely enough, when I replaced the DPMS lever with one of those highfalutin' Colt ones, it worked....
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At least it didn't kaboom like the Colt 6920 on another website...lol
 
I'm not fond of the DPMS line of AR rifles. i've never owned them, but personally i'd go for a higher quality rifle like S&W, Colt, or BCM.

its an ok rifle if you are just doing some plinking and punching paper.
 
justice06rr said:
I'm not fond of the DPMS line of AR rifles. i've never owned them, but personally i'd go for a higher quality rifle like S&W, Colt, or BCM.

its an ok rifle if you are just doing some plinking and punching paper.
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statements like this is why alot of these threads turn out the way they do.
 
Kwelz, I bought my DPMS LR 308 a month ago. I researched it before buying it. Where were you then. I found not one negative thing said about it on the several forums I looked through. I don't know what your problem is, but your are spitting in the wind from where I stand. Another poster said he didn't like DPMS AR's, but didn't own one Ha ha ha ha. No standing to even talk. If you have specific complaints make them. Then shut up. Thanks you very much.
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henschman said:
It's good to see DPMS is stepping up and offering at least some chrome lined rifles, though it only seems to be on their SBR's. It looks like they are still only offering 1/9 twist though. I like being able to run the heavier bullets up to 77 grain if I want.

How much did you pay for that 14.5" rifle?
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It was a complete upper that I purchased from them several years ago for a SBR build. I'd have to pull the receipts, but the cost of the complete upper was @ $400 if I remember correctly and it took nearly 2 months for the order to get filled.

It was during the period when no-one could supply AR's to meet the demand. My rep at DPMS indicated that the backlog was on barrels which would make sense because I believe that most of the AR manufacturers don't make their own barrels. A disruption at the primary supplier of barrels would effect every manufacturer (assembler) that relied on that vendor for barrels.

Don
 
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