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Clark
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I have a 7.62x25mm was well.
Ramshot Enforcer is the same powder; smells the same, looks the same, and pressure sign thresholds match within a couple percent.
Ramshot Enforcer is the same powder; smells the same, looks the same, and pressure sign thresholds match within a couple percent.
Many, many pounds of it.
The best load I EVER made for my 357 Blackhawk used AA#9, CCI 500 SP, and Sierra 170 gr. JHP. I could consistently hit a 2 liter soda bottle at 200 yards with that load. Too bad I can't get those hollow points anymore.
It's hard if not impossible to find locally so I have to have it shipped in. I buy 8 lbs. at a time. One thing I like is that it produces less muzzle flash than 296 and gives comparable velocities.
The best load I EVER made for my 357 Blackhawk used AA#9, CCI 500 SP, and Sierra 170 gr. JHP. I could consistently hit a 2 liter soda bottle at 200 yards with that load. Too bad I can't get those hollow points anymore.
It's hard if not impossible to find locally so I have to have it shipped in. I buy 8 lbs. at a time. One thing I like is that it produces less muzzle flash than 296 and gives comparable velocities.
I use AA#9 for 357 mag. and I really like it for jacketed, cast w/GC and cast bullets in the 18 bhn range.
The last batch of AA#9 I bought said made in Belgium, I have found #9 to be fairly consistent over the years but not as much as W-231.
The last batch of AA#9 I bought said made in Belgium, I have found #9 to be fairly consistent over the years but not as much as W-231.
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I have not used AA#9 for the .357 Magnum YET but I will be sometime soon. I have heard very good things about it so I just have to try it.
I have used W296/H110, 2400 and Lil'Gun so far for full power .357 Magnum ammo and like them all for different reasons.
I have used W296/H110, 2400 and Lil'Gun so far for full power .357 Magnum ammo and like them all for different reasons.
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Isn't 12.2 the max?
AA9 is very much like 2400 IMO. Its finer in grain size and you use about 1.0 grain less to get equal pressure and velocity when compared to 2400. I've used it for my .357 mag and .41 mag, don't have a .44 or I probably would have used it there too. I also use 2400.
I really like AA9 with 158gr SWC hard cast. 12.2gr of AA9 send the 158gr LSWC out the muzzle at around 1,250 fps.
I really like AA9 with 158gr SWC hard cast. 12.2gr of AA9 send the 158gr LSWC out the muzzle at around 1,250 fps.
AA#9 is the best powder I've tried in .357 Magnum. My data comes from Accurate Arms Manual #1 which used standard CCI 500 primers in their tests. Later data uses a magnum primer. My loads with standard CCI 500 primers is very consistent and I don't see any unburnt powder. It's extremely accurate in a 6" revolver and also in a Marlin rifle. I shoot 13.0 grains of AA#9 with Hornady 158 gr. XTP's in both. This is a near maximum load. Haven't used it in 44 Mag as my loads using Win 296 are satisfactory. Only thing about AA#9 is I can't find it locally.
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That's the same load I use, 12.2 grains under a 158 gr LSWC.
I've tried higher, and lower, and that is the most accurate.
I've come very close to trying AA#9. I read nothing but glowing reports about it and a lot folks feel that it is "the" powder for the .41 magnum. The only thing that has kept me from trying it is that the newer data uses Magnum primers which aren't needed with this powder. I can't find any of the older data that uses standard prmers sio for now I just use 2400.
My AA#9 has to be from the 90's.
My standard 357 load is 13.5 grains 2400 with a 158 anything. This is a powerful and accurate load.
If you are only interested in shooting magnum loads, also consider H110/W296.
I did have misfires in cold weather, with a revolver with a weak mainspring, and using WSP primers with AA#9. I changed out the mainspring and shot in slightly warmer weather and everything was fine. I can see the recommendation for magnum primers as these ball powders are harder to ignite.
My data is with WSP or standard CCI.
AA#9 shoots well and if the price is right, I can recommend it.
My standard 357 load is 13.5 grains 2400 with a 158 anything. This is a powerful and accurate load.
If you are only interested in shooting magnum loads, also consider H110/W296.
I did have misfires in cold weather, with a revolver with a weak mainspring, and using WSP primers with AA#9. I changed out the mainspring and shot in slightly warmer weather and everything was fine. I can see the recommendation for magnum primers as these ball powders are harder to ignite.
My data is with WSP or standard CCI.
AA#9 shoots well and if the price is right, I can recommend it.
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Smith & Wesson M27-2 6.5” Barrel
158 LSWC 13.5grs 2400 R-P cases CCI primers
9-Oct-05 T = 64 °F
Ave Vel = 1273
Std Dev = 44.03
ES = 176.7
High = 1372
Low = 1195
N = 30
158 JHP 13.0 grs AA#9 R-P cases WSP
9-Oct-05 T = 64 °F
Ave Vel = 1156
Std Dev = 35.63
ES = 160.6
High = 1230
Low = 1069
N = 20
Very accurate
158 JHP (W/W) 14.0 grs AA#9 R-P cases WSP
9-Oct-05 T = 64 °F
Ave Vel = 1208
Std Dev = 27.65
ES = 89
High = 1255
Low = 1166
N = 24
Very accurate
158 JHP (W/W) 13.5 grains 2400 R-P cases WSP
5-Aug-06 T = 102 °F
Ave Vel = 1222
Std Dev = 26.45
ES = 72.12
High = 1262
Low = 1190
N = 5
158 LRN Valiant 12.0 grs AA#9 CCI500 Mixed cases
5-Aug-06 T = 104 °F
Ave Vel = 1278
Std Dev = 34.98
ES = 117.4
High = 1344
Low = 1226
N = 27
Accurate
158 LRN Valiant 12.5 grs AA#9 CCI500 3-D cases
5-Aug-06 T = 104 ° F
Ave Vel = 1348
Std Dev = 34.16
ES = 134.7
High = 1386
Low = 1251
N = 25
Very Accurate no leading
158 LRN Valiant 13.0 grs AA#9 CCI500 3-D cases
5-Aug-06 T = 104 °F
Ave Vel = 1360
Std Dev = 33.19
ES = 109.8
High = 1393
Low = 1284
N = 26
Very Accurate
158 LSWC Linotype 12.0 AA#9 Mixed cases CCI500
21 June 2008 T = 85 °F
Ave Vel = 1166
Std Dev = 99
ES = 251.8
High = 1245
Low = 993.3
N = 6
No leading
158 LSWC Linotype 15.5 W296 Zero Cases CCI500
21 June 2008 T = 85 °F
Ave Vel = 1282
Std Dev = 35
ES = 128.1
High = 1325
Low = 1197
N = 12
No leading, no extraction issues, heavier recoil than AA#9 load
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Clark
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SlamFire1,
That is a great photo. Interesting without looking posed.
357 Mag AA#9 158 gr published loads:
Hornady 2000 11.5 gr
"Midway Loadmap" 1999 15 bullets 11.3~11.7 gr
"Modern Reloading" Richard Lee 1996 13 gr
"Speer 12" 1994 13.7 gr
"Speer 13" 1998 13.7 gr
Accurate pamphlets 1996, 1997, 1999, & 2000 13 gr
"Accurate Arms Number Two" book 2000 15 gr
Accurate pamphlet 2001 "new data" 15 gr
"Lyman's 47th" 1992 16 gr
"Lyman Pistol and Revolver" 1994 16 gr
CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.
For a test gun, I used a Colt Police Positive 38 Special from Aim surplus [$79].
I reamed the cylinder of Colt Police Positive to .357 mag length:
AA#9 1.590", 357 mag brass, wspm, hard crimp
16 gr OK!!
17 gr STOP! case stuck, hammered it out
That is a great photo. Interesting without looking posed.
357 Mag AA#9 158 gr published loads:
Hornady 2000 11.5 gr
"Midway Loadmap" 1999 15 bullets 11.3~11.7 gr
"Modern Reloading" Richard Lee 1996 13 gr
"Speer 12" 1994 13.7 gr
"Speer 13" 1998 13.7 gr
Accurate pamphlets 1996, 1997, 1999, & 2000 13 gr
"Accurate Arms Number Two" book 2000 15 gr
Accurate pamphlet 2001 "new data" 15 gr
"Lyman's 47th" 1992 16 gr
"Lyman Pistol and Revolver" 1994 16 gr
CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.
For a test gun, I used a Colt Police Positive 38 Special from Aim surplus [$79].
I reamed the cylinder of Colt Police Positive to .357 mag length:
AA#9 1.590", 357 mag brass, wspm, hard crimp
16 gr OK!!
17 gr STOP! case stuck, hammered it out
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Using below max charges for AA#9 from 2002 I load 13.6-13.9 with 158 XTP and Nosler 158 jhp with either CCI 500 or WSP for a Ruger Sec. Six. The cases extract easily, and these loads are have produced the best accuracy for me, better than 2400 and W-296.
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I am not so sure that they are the same. The latest manuals from AA and Ramshot have very different data. I do not believe these are the same.
However in Rifle, AA2230 and Ramshot Xterminator are the same. Identical load data in all calibers. Reference AA version 3.5 and Ramshot version 4.5 of their manuals (current version).
Clark
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ssyoumans,
Maybe I am going to learn something.
In 2000, AA data showed 11.7 gr AA#9 110 gr 7.62x25mm for CZ52s only.
My CZ52s blew up.
I went through 5 years of flames on line when ever I posted that all books are wrong and Tokarevs are stronger than CZ52s.
In 2005 I plugged Ramshot into Quickload [assuming Ramshot =AA#9] and got the right velocity 1622 fps and the pressure 65 kpsi.
AA then reduced their CZ52 loads to 26kpsi [8.5 gr] and sold the company.
I updated my Quickload.
Now Quickload has AA#9 in the library, and gives the results Enforcer once did. But now the Enforcer calculations are much lower, like your observations of Enforcer published data.
I don't know if the QL library data is from testing or inferred from published data.
Neither the AA#9 that I purchased in 2000 nor the Enforcer that I purchased in ~ 2004 have lot numbers.
I figured it out that AA#9 and Enforcer were the same on my own, before I read on line that AA#9 = Enforcer = W820 = H108
Maybe I am going to learn something.
In 2000, AA data showed 11.7 gr AA#9 110 gr 7.62x25mm for CZ52s only.
My CZ52s blew up.
I went through 5 years of flames on line when ever I posted that all books are wrong and Tokarevs are stronger than CZ52s.
In 2005 I plugged Ramshot into Quickload [assuming Ramshot =AA#9] and got the right velocity 1622 fps and the pressure 65 kpsi.
AA then reduced their CZ52 loads to 26kpsi [8.5 gr] and sold the company.
I updated my Quickload.
Now Quickload has AA#9 in the library, and gives the results Enforcer once did. But now the Enforcer calculations are much lower, like your observations of Enforcer published data.
I don't know if the QL library data is from testing or inferred from published data.
Neither the AA#9 that I purchased in 2000 nor the Enforcer that I purchased in ~ 2004 have lot numbers.
I figured it out that AA#9 and Enforcer were the same on my own, before I read on line that AA#9 = Enforcer = W820 = H108
ArchAngelCD
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If AA powders were available locally I would have no problem using them. They have come a long way from years ago and all their powders seem to be very consistent now.area51 said:
While I have not yet tried AA#9 like I said above I have used a good amount of AA#5 and I like it. AA#5 makes a great .38 Special +P powder, a good .45 Auto and .45 Colt powder and works well in the 9mm too. AA#5 was specifically designed for use in the .45 Auto so it should work well in that application. While it's acceptable in the .45 Colt I have yet to match the accuracy of W231 and HS-6 with AA#5 in the .45 Colt.
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