Best Combat/Defense Pistol

TFIT said:

One of the major deciding factors, believe it or not, is the new trigger system. The Glock Gen4 has a new trigger system that allows for quicker reset, and I can put a lot of bullets down range in very short order. I've also become very proficient at this.

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Congratulations!

You've just identified another assault weapon feature to be added to the current ban-wagon!

And since you've identified yourself as "very proficient at this", you are hereby labeled as a "Dangerous Gun-nut"™ and must therefore be added to the BATF, FBI, and Homeland Security watchlists.



Seriously, though, I'm not a Glock fan but I'll have to look into this trigger and how it works. Sounds interesting.

Color me stupid, in light of what you posted, but does trigger reset REALLY have that significant of an impact on speed? I can't imagine needing, or being able to get, any faster ability than I already have with my own factory guns.

Sounds like ye all are talking combat. That makes me think of ammo procurement, 9mm is easy to find, but I'm a .45 man, so I'll pack my glock 17, 26, & 21. I like all guns but for me on the move these to me will be the easiest to maintain. May bring a sig 226 also, but not sure cause now I'm carrying to much and will be combat ineffective. Bring what fits your hand the best, if you can draw and get quick target acquisition, then stick with that gun. I have been blessed to live close to buds gun shop and range, rent and shoot before you buy. That way you won't end up with something that doesn't fit you. Most all guns mentioned are great pieces but if they don't fit you, then it sucks to be you, not the gun. You want your boots to fit right - right? Just like boots, guns may not leave a blister, but you may not shoot worth a crap though.

Color me stupid, in light of what you posted, but does trigger reset REALLY have that significant of an impact on speed?

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For a proficient shooter who knows how to manage the trigger properly, yes. For someone who doesn't manage the trigger properly it may not because their technique doesn't allow them to take advantage of it.

My split times with a glock are going to be faster than with say a kahr and its very long reset.

I can't imagine needing, or being able to get, any faster ability than I already have with my own factory guns.

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More rounds on a threat in a given period of time is an advantage. As to being able to imagine getting faster. -Probably all of us can get faster. I train and work to be more proficient but have a VERY LONG ways to go before I can do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uisHfKj2JiI

Girodin said:

More rounds on a threat in a given period of time is an advantage. As to being able to imagine getting faster. -Probably all of us can get faster. I train and work to be more proficient but have a VERY LONG ways to go before I can do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uisHfKj2JiI

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Jerry is Chained Blue Lightning* with a revolver. The series of videos labeled "Jerry Miculek S&W Demo" is very interesting as well.

I can personally testify that, while the Chief may not be the fastest gun in the West, he is extremely accurate with his handguns.







*The Outlaw Josey Wales

Girodin said:

For a proficient shooter who knows how to manage the trigger properly, yes. For someone who doesn't manage the trigger properly it may not because their technique doesn't allow them to take advantage of it.

My split times with a glock are going to be faster than with say a kahr and its very long reset.



More rounds on a threat in a given period of time is an advantage. As to being able to imagine getting faster. -Probably all of us can get faster. I train and work to be more proficient but have a VERY LONG ways to go before I can do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uisHfKj2JiI

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You're looking at a cyborg.

I'd put the CZ75 in the mix. I prefer it to the M9 (Beretta).

If you are using handguns in combat something went wrong.

Nonsense. Gang members and cops use handguns for combat all the time. I'm quite sure even if one as civilian has paperwork for machine gun it is illegal to use one against another human being(s).

PedalBiker said:

I'd put the CZ75 in the mix. I prefer it to the M9 (Beretta).

If you are using handguns in combat something went wrong.

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CZ75 gets recommended often. I am sure it is worthy, however, like boots that do not fit it is just not an option for me. Now, a close relative of the CZ is the Baby Desert Eagle 2 (IWI, imported by MRI/Kahr). It fits really well and has impressed everyone that has shot mine. (Glock 17/26 gen4 is still my goto gun for SD)

Best combat/defense pistol. Everyone picks a full size pistol of various brands. Yet so many choose the smallest lightest whatever to carry when they walk out the door everyday!

Concealed Carry and Combat/Defensive are different missions and require different tools.

If your walking down the street and attacked by armed criminals,you are in combat! And the fullsize pistol is best.

A long gun would be a better choice yet even harder to conceal.

A long gun would be a better choice yet even harder to conceal.

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That's why pistols were invented.

that's why pistols were invented.

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exactamundo!!!!!!

Pay close attention to 1 and 6.

Rules for a Gunfight

Anonymous

1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap – life is expensive.

3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

4. If your shooting stance is good, you’re probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.

5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)

6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on “pucker factor” than the inherent accuracy of the gun. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. “All skill is in vain when an Angel blows the powder from the flintlock of your musket.”

10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

11. Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

12. Have a plan.

13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won’t work.

14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.

15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

16. Don’t drop your guard.

17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.

18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.)

19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.

23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

24. Do not attend a gun fight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with anything smaller than “4″.

25. You can’t miss fast enough to win.

Girodin said:

More rounds on a threat in a given period of time is an advantage. As to being able to imagine getting faster. -Probably all of us can get faster. I train and work to be more proficient but have a VERY LONG ways to go before I can do this:

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I agree that more rounds on the threat is an advantage. And I agree all of us can probably get faster. Certainly I can (and should) improve myself in that area.

What is it about trigger action that can speed up the firing rate? Trigger reset?

GoWolfpack said:

I can personally testify that, while the Chief may not be the fastest gun in the West, he is extremely accurate with his handguns.

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Thanks!

I'll be working on speed some while I'm providing engineering coverage in Charleston this month. There's an outdoor gun range I used to frequent years ago when I was stationed there. Twin Ponds Rifle Range.

My immediate biggest improvement in speed will be in two areas: the action to draw and acquire the target sight accurately & efficiently, and to increase my rate of fire while maintaining accuracy.

Currently, I'm too used to a "target shooting mentality", and I fully recognize that. I need to train more on self-defense shooting, which is a whole 'nother beastie.

1911 in 45acp is a more all around weapon.. as if you need to ues the gun as a weapon to beat someone in the head with it, plastic guns just can't do that as good..

ba ba booey said:

Glock 17
It may not be the best looking, to some it may not be the best handling, but it is accurate, simple, easy to maintain, has a very high (17) magazine capacity and is above all RELIABLE even when neglected.

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I concur - Glock 17!!!