Glad I saw the writing on the wall and got mine for $2,750. This is NFA Class 3 money now.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326220224
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326220224
I deal with people and institutions and investments for a living. EMOTIONS drive many decisions. Many people let emotions override their logic circuit and they do things they live to regret.gspn: the panic to sell when price bubbles deflate might help explain why a single seller in Keene, NH listed over 45,000 rounds of Russian 7.62x39 ammo for sale on Gunbroker in July, 2009. I counted at least that much.
He must have waited too long to scalp many people and felt pressed for cash?
A young lady at Faliaphotography shoots and disassembles her Robinson Arms XCR .308 on her Youtube channel.
Those XCRs must also have skyrocketed? These were also manufactured for the US Special Operations Command.
Most of whom didn't get to be that way by making very many foolish decisions, like buying $6000 SCAR's.Maybe he is a multi-millionaire and got that way from making wise financial decisions?
While I generally agree with Gspn, the poke at mach4 was not high road and also baseless.
Because I wouldn't spend $3000 on ANY military style semi-auto. If I did, the SCAR would be my first choice. It's just not my primary focus and until I have more money than I can spend, I'll be happy with my lone AR and occasionally shooting Dad's SCAR17. Right now I've got two or three custom revolver projects I want to do and $3000 would nearly pay for one of them.Why not? What would you choose instead? Assuming we're talking about a military-pattern semi-auto, why do you feel it is a better option than the SCAR?
Wait a minute, are you guys implying that the SCAR rifles should be priced at $1k because you honestly feel that's what they are worth, or, are you saying that you would only buy one if it were priced at $1k because you already have your rifle needs covered. Those are two separate concepts.
If there is nothing that the SCAR platform can do for you that isn't already covered, then sure, maybe the $2.5k+ investment isn't in the cards for you. On the other hand, to say that the rifle shouldn't be more than $1k is preposterous.
Consider this: right before the post-Sandy panic, a Colt 6920 was selling north of $1k. We are talking about a rifle that has been around for decades, whose patents have long since expired and whose majority of technical data is widely known. There is lots of competition in the market, with several companies offering Mil-Spec level rifles/carbines. Even with Wal-Mart's tremendous buying power, the price point was still $1067 at the local stores.
With the SCAR, you're talking about a true next generation carbine that has undergone the most Military testing and battlefield proofing out of any of the other new generation designs. Unlike the $1k+ Colt 6920, the SCAR offers a railed forend, flip-up sights, and a much more complex buttstock design. You're talking about a carbine built from the ground up with a smooth as silk piston system, not some piston jammed into an AR upper. Then there's the quick change CHF barrel engineering. It's also built by a vetted, bonafide Military supplier using some of the highest QA and QC you will find in the market. Considering the costs of R&D and testing that are heavily sunk into the SCAR, can you really say that this carbine's price point should be LESS than that of a Colt and still have the gumption to look yourself in the mirror unashamed?
yep, i'm aware of that. i didn't mean to imply it was gspn doing the poking.Hmmm, maybe I missed something, but I didn't see where Gspn took a jab at Mach4, sure that wasn't someone else?
I just don't get how anyone of a technical mind who has experience with the rifle can say "Meh. That gun's worth $1k." Nobody sells Porsches at Honda prices.
I can't agree with any of that. I don't care for the reciprocating charging handle but that's my only complaint. The recoil is very soft, softer than expected. It absolutely does not feel cheap. Every AR variant I handled is too middle heavy, which typically causes the muzzle to wander. The SCAR has much better balance, is very comfortable to carry and shoot. It is significantly lighter than an FAL or M1A.It has the sharpest recoil impulse, save for the G3, the reciprocating charging handle is a total afterthought (or was designed by a man with no fingers), and the gun honestly just feels cheaper in construction than an AR-10, FAL, M1A, etc.
Show me a 7.5lb AR with a forward gas piston, monolithic receiver, free floated barrel, quad rails, quick change barrel, that's fully ambidextrous and has a fully adjustable stock.
Every AR variant I handled is too middle heavy, which typically causes the muzzle to wander.
We've all heard complaints about the stock, but ironically, there's no proof (photos, videos, AARs) that they are falling apart in the field. Personally, I find the recoil pulse to be very soft and sweet.
You want a shotgun to balance in the middle. A rifle should balance forward of the receiver. A shotgun is supposed to swing, a rifle is supposed to hang. The AR-10's I handled felt like a brick with a straw poking out one end and a wooden spoon the other. To balance properly it needs a longer, heavier barrel and that means more weight. Or a long, standard weight quad rail with a Surefire M3LT attached.Huh? For most, we want the gun to be well balanced ("middle heavy"). Too much weight fore or aft is what causes them to wander or have too much muzzle rise.