Though I find your references amusing, I believe you are entirely misinformed. I'm not sure what kind of range you go to where people can't hit 12x12 with a mosin, but you should probably seek elsewhere if that's who you're observing. At 100 yards I can keep it in the bullseye, with a little spread of course. Past that, yeah.. Running into some spread. There are plenty of Lee enfields, mosin, arisakas that are capable of being quite accurate for their age. I suppose you just need the right shooter.
Mosin Nagant ?'s Advice needed
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Problem is, nobody shoots them at the range with the bayonet on. That's how they were intended to be shot and were sighted in at the factory that way.
mgkdrgn
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Look up the word "DELUSIONAL" in the dictionary and you'll probably find those two ads.
Panzerschwein
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If your looking for legitimate target shooting and are wanting accuracy, the Mosin may not be your best option.
The ammunition is cheap, but these guns were not designed for precision shooting. You MAY get lucky and get one that will shoot sub MOA all day, but more likely you can expect 3 MOA and up with most surplus M91/30s without accurizing the rifle.
IMHO, the Mosin Nagant probably isn't in your best interest and I would look for one of the rifles from Savage for an economical but very accurate base rifle and go from there.
The ammunition is cheap, but these guns were not designed for precision shooting. You MAY get lucky and get one that will shoot sub MOA all day, but more likely you can expect 3 MOA and up with most surplus M91/30s without accurizing the rifle.
IMHO, the Mosin Nagant probably isn't in your best interest and I would look for one of the rifles from Savage for an economical but very accurate base rifle and go from there.
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NO THANKS... If I spend 500+ on a rifle it wouldn't be a Mosin. I own and hunt with a mosin great rifle for 100 or so. Great gun if you want a project. But I wouldn't buy either of those. The magazines for the second have had issues from the get go. maybe they sorted them out maybe they haven't, I don't care to buy one to find out.
+ 1 for a Remington or a savage...
+ 1 for a Remington or a savage...
zerobarrier
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Ok so I am not going to buy one of those. I believe I have narrowed it to a Rem 700 308 with 5r barrel or a Rem 700 in 7mm-08
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That is a sharp looking mosin.. BUT, with that price I don't think he really wants to sell it. If I wanted something like that, I'd do it myself for the fun of it. However I like them in original and the M44's are my favorite mosins.
And Yes that dog looks like he bites!!
Mosin Nagants are not going to be as accurate as a modern hunting rifle. But that doesn't mean then cannot be a lot of fun. You can learn considerable gunsmithing at very little risk.
I took a Mosin that I measured the throat in the store (Hornady tool, inexpensive) with little wear on the throat for $140 or so.
Cut off barrel to get it to a shorter length more like 20-22" (barrel ringing is proprortional to I think the 3rd power of the length). Recrowned my horrible hacksaw job with a Lee trimmer cutter until it was perfectly square and perfectly flat (use a 7mm spindle, like for a 7mm08, and shim it with plastic from straws).
Then rework the stock a bit using wood tools to make a flatter forend that will fit a benchrest front rest. Be creative, for crying out loud!
NcStar makes a $40 3-7X scout/pistol type scope that you can attach with dovetail rings to the dovetail that is underneath that Russian rear sight. The Russians didn't alwys cut the dovetail very well, so secure your dovetail rings with JBWeld when you figure out exactly where to put them. All a you guys are always saying you don't need more than 4X, so here you're going to have SEVEN. You will quickly get used to a scout scope....again, you do not HAVE to spend $$$$$$ and be a conformist in life. Your total outlay is now about $180.
If you REALLY want to have some fun, go buy a 3/4" waterpipe from the local home improvement store, and with a cutoff saw, cut a slot to allow your scope mount to pass, heat up some 20-minute JB weld, preposition the correct length of water pipe over the skinny Mosin barrel, stuff something in the bore to protect it, and fill the voids between the Mosin barrel and you sheathing water pipe with JB Weld. You'll need about three tubes of the stuff. You're now up to about $200 invested, and you just performed a homemade barrel sheathing, similar to how the early benchresters used to take a Remington action and sheath it with steel to make it squirm less under recoil. Because barrel ring is proportion to either the 3rd or 4th power of the barrel diameter, and you have now effectively DOUBLED your diameter, you have just considereably reduced your barrel ringing.
I then proceeded to easily hit chest sized gong targets at 600 yards, and occasinally at 800 yards using moderate charges on reloaded brass and Sierra .311 150 grain spire points. Yes, my 7mm08 is more accurate, but then it is well over twice the price and I didn't learn near as much.
I took a Mosin that I measured the throat in the store (Hornady tool, inexpensive) with little wear on the throat for $140 or so.
Cut off barrel to get it to a shorter length more like 20-22" (barrel ringing is proprortional to I think the 3rd power of the length). Recrowned my horrible hacksaw job with a Lee trimmer cutter until it was perfectly square and perfectly flat (use a 7mm spindle, like for a 7mm08, and shim it with plastic from straws).
Then rework the stock a bit using wood tools to make a flatter forend that will fit a benchrest front rest. Be creative, for crying out loud!
NcStar makes a $40 3-7X scout/pistol type scope that you can attach with dovetail rings to the dovetail that is underneath that Russian rear sight. The Russians didn't alwys cut the dovetail very well, so secure your dovetail rings with JBWeld when you figure out exactly where to put them. All a you guys are always saying you don't need more than 4X, so here you're going to have SEVEN. You will quickly get used to a scout scope....again, you do not HAVE to spend $$$$$$ and be a conformist in life. Your total outlay is now about $180.
If you REALLY want to have some fun, go buy a 3/4" waterpipe from the local home improvement store, and with a cutoff saw, cut a slot to allow your scope mount to pass, heat up some 20-minute JB weld, preposition the correct length of water pipe over the skinny Mosin barrel, stuff something in the bore to protect it, and fill the voids between the Mosin barrel and you sheathing water pipe with JB Weld. You'll need about three tubes of the stuff. You're now up to about $200 invested, and you just performed a homemade barrel sheathing, similar to how the early benchresters used to take a Remington action and sheath it with steel to make it squirm less under recoil. Because barrel ring is proportion to either the 3rd or 4th power of the barrel diameter, and you have now effectively DOUBLED your diameter, you have just considereably reduced your barrel ringing.
I then proceeded to easily hit chest sized gong targets at 600 yards, and occasinally at 800 yards using moderate charges on reloaded brass and Sierra .311 150 grain spire points. Yes, my 7mm08 is more accurate, but then it is well over twice the price and I didn't learn near as much.
A better word for the re-do of the barrel is "sleeving".
Here is a review of a commercial sleeving operation: http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/extreme-accuracy-makeover-the-teludyne-tti-tech-straightjacket/
You can get a commercial sleeve rebuild on your Mosin for $1200 here: http://www.teludynetech.com/
But it is much cheaper and more fun to do it yourself. Can't swear you'll get $1200 results, but I am CERTAIN you will learn enough to be worth the price of the JBWeld you will use.
I recommend that you choose a length of pipe such that your finished sleeve is 1/4" short of your recrowned muzzle. Work hard to get the resin to fill as much of the voids as possible between your skinny Mosin barrel and the water pipe.
I have had zero indication of any cracking in mine in over a year of use. It doesn't equal my bull barrel Shilen 7mm08 on a Savage action, but it sure was a HECK of a lot cheaper. You take that FrankenRifle to an 800 yard range and hit the gong a time or two next to guys who are using $1200 rifles, and you attract quite an interested crown.
Anybody can spend money. Learning how to build things yourself is a skill you can pass down the generations.
Here is a review of a commercial sleeving operation: http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/extreme-accuracy-makeover-the-teludyne-tti-tech-straightjacket/
You can get a commercial sleeve rebuild on your Mosin for $1200 here: http://www.teludynetech.com/
But it is much cheaper and more fun to do it yourself. Can't swear you'll get $1200 results, but I am CERTAIN you will learn enough to be worth the price of the JBWeld you will use.
I recommend that you choose a length of pipe such that your finished sleeve is 1/4" short of your recrowned muzzle. Work hard to get the resin to fill as much of the voids as possible between your skinny Mosin barrel and the water pipe.
I have had zero indication of any cracking in mine in over a year of use. It doesn't equal my bull barrel Shilen 7mm08 on a Savage action, but it sure was a HECK of a lot cheaper. You take that FrankenRifle to an 800 yard range and hit the gong a time or two next to guys who are using $1200 rifles, and you attract quite an interested crown.
Anybody can spend money. Learning how to build things yourself is a skill you can pass down the generations.
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Thanks for all those suggestions Doc.
Another one for taming than recoil is a size 11 timberline hiking boot slipped on over the buttstock.
Another one for taming than recoil is a size 11 timberline hiking boot slipped on over the buttstock.
An old military rifle CAN be as accurate as any modern rifle, but chances of finding one that was taken care during its 100 year life is going to be pretty darn slim. But it is clear many don't know what they talk about.
Those two rifles are now worthless to anyone except the builder and a few with poor taste, or get suckered into the rifle.
Buy old military rifles and enjoy them for what they are.....if you happen to come across one that shoots well, so much the better. But really putting 5 rounds into a fist sized target at 100 is not why you buy any surplus military gun.
Those two rifles are now worthless to anyone except the builder and a few with poor taste, or get suckered into the rifle.
Buy old military rifles and enjoy them for what they are.....if you happen to come across one that shoots well, so much the better. But really putting 5 rounds into a fist sized target at 100 is not why you buy any surplus military gun.
Mosin v Rem 700?
Admittedly, I'm not a rifle guru.
I did fall into a Mosin 2 years ago and love it. I've always wanted a Remington 700 but it's too costly for how much I'd get to use it.
I loved my first Mosin so much I bought a 2nd one....but keep in mind they are plentiful and cheap in my area....under $200.
The Mosin on your sight is very expensive....no matter what work was done to it...but that is my two cents.
In my opinion, you'd have to decide what you really want as the Mosin is different than the Remington.
I've enjoyed my Mosin, it's cheap, shoots nice, and is a lot of fun.
Good luck
Admittedly, I'm not a rifle guru.
I did fall into a Mosin 2 years ago and love it. I've always wanted a Remington 700 but it's too costly for how much I'd get to use it.
I loved my first Mosin so much I bought a 2nd one....but keep in mind they are plentiful and cheap in my area....under $200.
The Mosin on your sight is very expensive....no matter what work was done to it...but that is my two cents.
In my opinion, you'd have to decide what you really want as the Mosin is different than the Remington.
I've enjoyed my Mosin, it's cheap, shoots nice, and is a lot of fun.
Good luck
Recoil: if you handload, recoil isnt really that much of an issue. Since I prefer to be able to reuse my brass quite a bit, I generally used 44 grains of Varget behind 150 grain Sierra .311 inch Spitzer. However, in the summer, that ends up with some flat primers, and does eventually end up in a head separation. When I drop back to 42 gr of Varget it is a really mild load, still able to hit a 600 yard target, and brass last a very long time. Recall isn't really that much of a problem.
Everybody has their own desires for their property. Whatever you want to do with your property is none of my business, and I'm happy for you especially if you learn from it.
My Mosin-Nagant's are not tack drivers, but I can get inch and a quarter to inch and a half groups at 100 yards. That's plenty good for most of the hunting I will ever do. And it's plenty good for hitting targets at 600 yards. If I bumped the powder up a bit to get the velocity up just a bit, it should be easy to get at 800, which I've done once for fun. The throat Erosion is enough, that I might not get good results with a 125 grain bullet, that would be easy to push to really spectacular velocities.
I think there are some improved triggers available too but I haven't gone that route. I certainly got my $140 worth of education out of a very old war horse that suits my purpose.
My Mosin-Nagant's are not tack drivers, but I can get inch and a quarter to inch and a half groups at 100 yards. That's plenty good for most of the hunting I will ever do. And it's plenty good for hitting targets at 600 yards. If I bumped the powder up a bit to get the velocity up just a bit, it should be easy to get at 800, which I've done once for fun. The throat Erosion is enough, that I might not get good results with a 125 grain bullet, that would be easy to push to really spectacular velocities.
I think there are some improved triggers available too but I haven't gone that route. I certainly got my $140 worth of education out of a very old war horse that suits my purpose.
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These rifles (these two particular rifles) are abominations and just plain silly in my opinion. PLEASE don't waste a grand when you can know you've got any number of 600 yard winners for well under that price.
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About a Mosin Nagant
I own two of the, whatever that word is some people call them, refreshed Mosins. Refreshed in that they no longer squirt out of my hands like a wet bar of soap and I made sure the bluing stays intact. They are not terrific shooters but they are fun to shoot. But the 17 million Mosins built are some of the most historically significant firearms ever built. They deserve better treatment than the ones in the OP being turned into statements of bubblegum culture.
In 1942, it was just as important that Russia build and deliver these as it was for Russia to find ways to feed its people. It was the Mosin in hand that pushed Nazi Germany out of Russia and it was the Mosin in hand that marched into Berlin 3 years later.Though we do not appreciate much of either army, it cannot be said they either were not two of the fiercest fighting army's in the history of humanity. Please don't turn one of these rifles into a poster of a rock star. The real value of a Mosin is in their history and their beauty.
I own two of the, whatever that word is some people call them, refreshed Mosins. Refreshed in that they no longer squirt out of my hands like a wet bar of soap and I made sure the bluing stays intact. They are not terrific shooters but they are fun to shoot. But the 17 million Mosins built are some of the most historically significant firearms ever built. They deserve better treatment than the ones in the OP being turned into statements of bubblegum culture.
In 1942, it was just as important that Russia build and deliver these as it was for Russia to find ways to feed its people. It was the Mosin in hand that pushed Nazi Germany out of Russia and it was the Mosin in hand that marched into Berlin 3 years later.Though we do not appreciate much of either army, it cannot be said they either were not two of the fiercest fighting army's in the history of humanity. Please don't turn one of these rifles into a poster of a rock star. The real value of a Mosin is in their history and their beauty.
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The GB prices are silly high. I love my Mosins for what they are. For added accuracy, consider a Finnish M39, or a Mosin PU sniper, with higher end 7.62x54r ammo.
See http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com...osin-nagant-sniper-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0
I've been very pleased with the accuracy coming out of my M39's and sniper. However, accuracy out of the M91/30s has been pretty variable from rifle to rifle. I would sincerely hesitate to plunk down $900 on such a "modified" 91/30. As FMJ above shows, if you find a 91/30 that shoots well, you can gussy it up (though I will admit I am a purist about keeping things in original condition ... leave the history in the rifle, dont bastardize or bubba it, if you can).
Or, go for a good commercial rifle with good ammo.
See http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com...osin-nagant-sniper-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0
I've been very pleased with the accuracy coming out of my M39's and sniper. However, accuracy out of the M91/30s has been pretty variable from rifle to rifle. I would sincerely hesitate to plunk down $900 on such a "modified" 91/30. As FMJ above shows, if you find a 91/30 that shoots well, you can gussy it up (though I will admit I am a purist about keeping things in original condition ... leave the history in the rifle, dont bastardize or bubba it, if you can).
Or, go for a good commercial rifle with good ammo.
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