miller.lyte
Member
New here, lurking for a while, I am not a troll. I come in peace with a serious question.
I've read hundreds of headlines and minor stories in the news over the past weeks and countless threads on here and other gun forums. I've seen the finger pointed at everything from meds to G W Bush. Lots of talk about which reps are pro- or anti-gun and to just write them all. Some great, logical posts, blogs and video clips that haven't circulated much past our pro-2A groups. Everybody on both sides seems to have a simple answer to a complicated problem. Antis scream at the top of their lungs to just ban everything while our side wants more responsible civilians armed. I would like to note a few in-depth points that I haven't heard folks mention as much as others, and then ask a very genuine question. So let's review what we do know:
Prohibition. There is perhaps no greater example of why bans do not work than this. It is single-handedly responsible for the birth of organized crime as we know it. Mass noncompliance, turning hundreds of thousands of law-abiding citizens into instant criminals, and making regular street thugs into high-profile mafiosi and hardened criminals with heavy societal and political influence. This is the future of Feinstein's bill that the antis do not acknowledge nor care about, except it's even more catastrophic.
Arming more civilians. In theory, this seems like the best, most logical response to a safer nation. It works for Switzerland. But America is not and never will be Switzerland, not politically, not socially. Guns have been heavily stigmatized and as we have seen, the masses fear guns. The masses are uneducated about guns. The masses do not want themselves, and therefore us, being armed. How do we educate the general population of sheep so content to follow the herd and stick their heads in the sand when told to do so? How do we effectively drown out the liberal media? We've tried and are trying, but they are still bigger and louder than we are. Our biggest voice, the NRA, has been branded as extremist. Until we can reach out more effectively than the media, gun-rights activists are going to be further ostracized. Pro-gunners are at an inherent disadvantage when it comes to good PR because responsible gun ownership is anything but sensational - it is rational, it is safe, it is unexciting to headlines by its nature. It's almost impossible to make more "good" news. Arming more citizens will only work to reduce crime en masse if the masses are educated enough to not try to ban adequate self-defense. As we have seen, throwing official statistics like the FBI's Uniform Crime Report at them only falls on deaf ears. We have the information we need, but we need a better way to reach out to the public. Only going through politicians who couldn't give a damn is risky business.
Convicted felons. These guys are the main problem, but what do we do with them to ensure they don't get weapons without infringing on our rights? Statistically, deterrents do little to prevent criminals from terrorizing innocents. You might say we can bring forth harsher penalties for gun crimes, but we simply do not have the resources to enforce these nationwide. We do not have the room to keep these guys locked up for life nor the money to send them to death row. We can legislate, but the time and resources are just not there to enforce it.
Drugs/medicine. A lot of gun crimes are drug-related, and mass shooters are typically on some sort of SSRI drug. We have failed miserably in going after gang-bangers. It's difficult to bring them down from the inside by infiltrating them because of their strict requirements to join. They are everywhere. I do not believe we will ever eliminate or even greatly reduce gang violence, so what do we do about them, if anything? The mass shooters who are truly mentally ill before and especially after taking certain antidepressants... we have profiles of these types but are rarely able to stop them before a disaster strikes. We as a country do not see mental illness as seriously as we should. We drug our children at a young age and keep them on these drugs their entire lifetime. They either are or become sick and dependent on the drugs to function normally, and when they are off the drugs, Sandy Hook happens. Columbine happens. We as a country still haven't learned from these mistakes.
My question is, what do we do? Where do we start? We face serious roadblocks at every turn and are quickly losing our rights because of it. Writing our representatives is only going to do so much at best. There's more antis than there are of us, and by the time they are voted out it will be too late. Let's be realistic: if we only fight to maintain the status quo or for more gun rights while the majority is still emotional, fearful and uneducated, we are going to lose. Is there really anything we can do that can greatly affect the current public opinion on guns in time to save our rights? We have been largely preaching to the choir or to corrupt politicians this whole time. What about the People?
I've read hundreds of headlines and minor stories in the news over the past weeks and countless threads on here and other gun forums. I've seen the finger pointed at everything from meds to G W Bush. Lots of talk about which reps are pro- or anti-gun and to just write them all. Some great, logical posts, blogs and video clips that haven't circulated much past our pro-2A groups. Everybody on both sides seems to have a simple answer to a complicated problem. Antis scream at the top of their lungs to just ban everything while our side wants more responsible civilians armed. I would like to note a few in-depth points that I haven't heard folks mention as much as others, and then ask a very genuine question. So let's review what we do know:
Prohibition. There is perhaps no greater example of why bans do not work than this. It is single-handedly responsible for the birth of organized crime as we know it. Mass noncompliance, turning hundreds of thousands of law-abiding citizens into instant criminals, and making regular street thugs into high-profile mafiosi and hardened criminals with heavy societal and political influence. This is the future of Feinstein's bill that the antis do not acknowledge nor care about, except it's even more catastrophic.
Arming more civilians. In theory, this seems like the best, most logical response to a safer nation. It works for Switzerland. But America is not and never will be Switzerland, not politically, not socially. Guns have been heavily stigmatized and as we have seen, the masses fear guns. The masses are uneducated about guns. The masses do not want themselves, and therefore us, being armed. How do we educate the general population of sheep so content to follow the herd and stick their heads in the sand when told to do so? How do we effectively drown out the liberal media? We've tried and are trying, but they are still bigger and louder than we are. Our biggest voice, the NRA, has been branded as extremist. Until we can reach out more effectively than the media, gun-rights activists are going to be further ostracized. Pro-gunners are at an inherent disadvantage when it comes to good PR because responsible gun ownership is anything but sensational - it is rational, it is safe, it is unexciting to headlines by its nature. It's almost impossible to make more "good" news. Arming more citizens will only work to reduce crime en masse if the masses are educated enough to not try to ban adequate self-defense. As we have seen, throwing official statistics like the FBI's Uniform Crime Report at them only falls on deaf ears. We have the information we need, but we need a better way to reach out to the public. Only going through politicians who couldn't give a damn is risky business.
Convicted felons. These guys are the main problem, but what do we do with them to ensure they don't get weapons without infringing on our rights? Statistically, deterrents do little to prevent criminals from terrorizing innocents. You might say we can bring forth harsher penalties for gun crimes, but we simply do not have the resources to enforce these nationwide. We do not have the room to keep these guys locked up for life nor the money to send them to death row. We can legislate, but the time and resources are just not there to enforce it.
Drugs/medicine. A lot of gun crimes are drug-related, and mass shooters are typically on some sort of SSRI drug. We have failed miserably in going after gang-bangers. It's difficult to bring them down from the inside by infiltrating them because of their strict requirements to join. They are everywhere. I do not believe we will ever eliminate or even greatly reduce gang violence, so what do we do about them, if anything? The mass shooters who are truly mentally ill before and especially after taking certain antidepressants... we have profiles of these types but are rarely able to stop them before a disaster strikes. We as a country do not see mental illness as seriously as we should. We drug our children at a young age and keep them on these drugs their entire lifetime. They either are or become sick and dependent on the drugs to function normally, and when they are off the drugs, Sandy Hook happens. Columbine happens. We as a country still haven't learned from these mistakes.
My question is, what do we do? Where do we start? We face serious roadblocks at every turn and are quickly losing our rights because of it. Writing our representatives is only going to do so much at best. There's more antis than there are of us, and by the time they are voted out it will be too late. Let's be realistic: if we only fight to maintain the status quo or for more gun rights while the majority is still emotional, fearful and uneducated, we are going to lose. Is there really anything we can do that can greatly affect the current public opinion on guns in time to save our rights? We have been largely preaching to the choir or to corrupt politicians this whole time. What about the People?