Sometimes I Wonder Just WHO The Idiots Are

[Treo]

I hear a lot of talk around here about how stupid the antis are for thinking that gun control reduces crime and how they just don’t get it when a mass shooting occurs in a gun free zone. And we laugh when Hillary talks about hunting ducks W/ a rifle. But I’m beginning to wonder just who the stupid ones are.

Do you really believe that they antis haven’t figured out that criminals don’t obey gun laws? We throw out statistics like “ The Columbine Killers broke 17 Federal and State gun laws before they ever fired a shot (true BTW)”. Do you not think Nancy Pelosi, or Obama has access to the same information? Do you not think that Ted Kennedy knows that .308 is one of the most popular hunting rounds in America? If you really believe that the antis aren’t the dumb ones.

One thing I never see discussed here (at least not seriously) is the possibility that the antis (and by “antis” I mean the people who write our gun laws) may have a different motive for pushing their agenda than the one they’re spouting all over the news.

It is my firm belief that most of our leftist politicians have a goal of social engineering some new “Great Society” and they know that as long as America is an armed nation it will never fly. The reason I point this out is because if I’m right no amount of “education” is going to stop the antis from trying to take away our guns. And (If I’m right) the sooner we realize that and start taking the position of no concession you’re not going to take our guns period, the more likely we are to win this fight. We need to (IMO) to open our eyes and realize that these aren’t just good folks with some really stupid ideas but people that are intelligent to hide their real agenda for a long, long time.

If we really want to keep our gun rights I believe that we need to frame the fight accurately and as long as the antis are able to hide their real agenda we can't do that

 

[jakemccoy]

Gun control is about controlling the population, not guns.

 

[5knives]

It is so easy to find out the truth about the 'gun bans' and the 'gun laws' and their ineffectiveness in stopping crime that I several years ago stopped writing off the errors of the MSM to ignorance.

It's an anti-gun, anti freedom agenda, it's intentional, and arguing facts in the face of it is a waste of time.

Educating the public to disregard the MSM/Gov brainwashing program is the only viable tactic!

As always, JMHO!
(But I firmly believe I'm right.)

Regards,

 

[Phydeaux642]

Of course they're not stupid, but they think we are.

 

[jakemccoy]

A few anti-gun politicians at the top with addiction to power understand that gun control is about controlling the population. However, the masses of anti-gun people are ignorant about guns and believe in the dogma about fighting crime, etc.

 

[Spyvie]

it is so easy to find out the truth about the 'gun bans' and the 'gun laws' and their ineffectiveness in stopping crime that i several years ago stopped writing off the errors of the msm to ignorance.

It's an anti-gun, anti freedom agenda, it's intentional, and arguing facts in the face of it is a waste of time.

+1

qft

 

[ByAnyMeans]

I agree that those at the top have a view of "disarm them before changing society" as the only feasible way it can be done. however I think that the general population is "anti" based on the falsehoods these politicians put forth for gun control.

 

[HeavenlySword]

We can try to educate AND not give in on ANY position at the same time

Even better, we can try to reduce the amount of gun control

 

[Treo]

I don't have a problem W/ education but what are we teaching? It's a great idea to point out that every mass shooting that's occured in America ( The Utah mall and New Life Church were not mass shootings because there was somebody there W/ a gun) happened in a gun free zone. But we need to take the next step I.E. "Well Bubba, you under stand that gun control as a means to fight crime is illogical, don't you think Barbra Boxer sees the same flaws in the logic you do? " So, why else might she be pushing for more gun control?

 

[7.62X25mm]

The gun regulatory types just can't quite grasp why buying a firearm shouldn't require the same sort of licensing and registration as buying a motor vehicle.

THAT'S what frosts their heinies.

They're part of the "government" -- and after all, you need to go through a security check these days to buy airline tickets, gotta show a passport to get back into America from Canuckland. Seems logical [to them] that you should need a license, registration, and permit to own a firearm. -- And none of that "lethal" stuff either! "Where's OSHA when we need them!"

 

[Mike J]

Their goal isn't regulation it is elimination. I'm relunctant to post what I really think. Lets just say it has to do with "globalization".

 

[TAB]

All they want to do is be relected... gun control is just a means to do that.

I don't mean the people that elect them want it( some do.) I mean they want to show that they are hard on crime and are trying to "protect us".
That is what it boils down to... almost every single major gun control law is some type of "crime prevention law"

 

[BHP FAN]

Mike and TREO are quite correct,and I myself figured this one out about twenty years ago.

 

[Treo]

That is what it boils down to... almost every single major gun control law is some type of "crime prevention law"

Well TAB, you under stand that gun control as a means to fight crime is illogical, don't you think Barbra Boxer sees the same flaws in the logic you do? " So, why else might she be pushing for more gun control?

Like I said, I'm all for education but are we teaching the right things?

 

[TAB]

Gun control does not deter crime... infact guns have zero effect on crime... I'm just citing thier reasoning for it.

 

[CentralTexas]

Wow, that's strange

Not one smarmy post about a tin-foil hat yet. Maybe the head in the sand brigade is still sleeping off the turkey dinner?

 

[JImbothefiveth]

the sooner we realize that and start taking the position of no concession you’re not going to take our guns period, the more likely we are to win this fight.

Define "no consession". Are you saying "nukes for jihadists who just escaped from Guantanamo", or "oppose any new gun control laws"?

If you're advocating a GOA type thing, it will just convince the general public that guns are bad, and if you won't vote for anyone who wants any restrictions on any weapons whatsoever, politicians will see no reason to support guns.

For instance, I can't think of a single new gun control measure I like, and I can think of quite a few I want to repeal, but when you advocate letting violent felons get guns, you've lost me.

 

[Big Matt]

I agree with Treo and Mike.

 

[Treo]

The best 2A argument I've ever heard posited was (in extremely short form) That a private citizen should be allowed any arm that is on the T.O.&E. for a rifle company Crew served and bigger collectively owned by a county militia NOT under the control of the Federal government. No Nukes for Jihadis ( like that'll stop them from getting them)

I'm all for no NCIS and making possesion by a felon a mandatory 5 year sentence in addition to what ever crime you commited

 

[7.62X25mm]

Quote:
That is what it boils down to... almost every single major gun control law is some type of "crime prevention law"

Let's not get me started about "Homeland Security."

Politicians like to come up with "well spun" catchy names. It's part of political marketing.

No electorate is going to support a politician who promotes legislation called: "Nazi conspiracy to trample the Constitution, disarm citizens and put them under oppressive fascist rule."

 

[JImbothefiveth]

Treo, as long as it's illegal for felons to possess, I could see why one would support doing away with the background check. I don't support it, but I see why you do, and I thank you for clarifying your position.

like that'll stop them from getting them)

Actually, "nuke control" seems to have worked pretty well, but it will probably stop working once rouge governments, especially Iran, get their hands on nukes.

No electorate is going to support a politician who promotes legislation called: "Nazi conspiracy to trample the Constitution,

Well, there is one openly socialist senator.

 

[mljdeckard]

I think it's always been pretty obvious that the antis come in two general flavors. Ignorant and subversive. The question is, how are they divided, and what degree of control do the subversives hold over the ignorant?

Subversives are conveniently ignorant from time to time. They believe what they want to, and disregard what they need to. They have convinced themselves that lies are ok as long as they move politics in the right direction. Ignorants aren't usually aggressive, but they have more important things to do than give the matter any rational thought.

It's a matter of fooling ENOUGH of the people, at JUST THE RIGHT TIME. The subversives don't have to convince all of the ignorants and fence sitters ALL of the time, just when it really counts.

 

[Jefferson Herb]

Homeland security: A bunch of veterans who will go to the last round,and keep their promise,unlike some of those who think it's their duty.
Former police chief of Blue Lake Ca just got probation for a silenced pistol and 2 class three weapons,which the crook obtained by trading evidence for!!! Yes people , there are Two sets of standards.

 

[mljdeckard]

That chief would NOT want me in the jury box.

 

[Treo]

Treo, as long as it's illegal for felons to possess

No background check has ever stopped a felon from obtaining a firearm. Slowed him down maybe , but stopped him? Not in this life time.