It just got very real in my home!

AMEN!

When you see things like this happening, it becomes apparent that the majority of people just don't want to take responsibility. After all, it is a lot of work that needs to be done on my part. It's so much easier to have someone else take care of my problems while I go about doing my daily business... The politicians and MSM are just taking advantage of this fact. Most of us are too damn lazy to do anything about our own problems. Hold on... gotta check my texts, update my facebook, and tweet what i'm doing right now.

I completely understand your rage. I go to school at Georgia Tech in downtown Atlanta, and every week people get mugged or worse. We are totally defenseless, and nobody seems to realize it :banghead:

Sad to say, when they wake up from being sheeple and think for themselves.

they realize it. they don't care.

Gamestalker;

It's a very unfortunate fact that it usually takes a real threat, or act, of violence to get the average American's attitude reset. With over 300 million of us in this country, the odds of something actually happening to any single individual are still low. Therefore it's much easier for average John & Jane Doe to maintain the worldview spoon-fed to them via the nightly news. It's a sad fact that our incidence of violence in this country would have to increase dramatically in order to revise the current prevalant average thought pattern regarding it.

I don't know what the correct answer to the problem is. Sites like this, where a different mind-set than the national average is the norm, are the choir. Getting the truth out to the citizens is supposed to be the job of the media. However, the media is politicized and our version of reality is not their version. Therefore the preacher isn't doing his job. But I don't know how to fire him.

900F

They don't care. I feel your frustration. Perhaps it's time to address the issues with that school regarding protection of its students? Unbelievable!

I don't know if most people live in a bubble, think they are invincible, that naive, or that dependent on others for their protection, but it really is sad and pathetic. I don't mean that as personal insult, just that the reality is escaping them with all the evidence present.

It took me over a year to turn my mom from a semi-anti in to an ardent 2A person. She still doesn't carry, but thats cause she just isn't that comfortable with firearms, but now she thoroughly supports them. I also am pretty active on facebook with 2a posts. I've opened a few peoples minds, but I hope in turn they will do the same. After awhile it reaches hundreds of people. Hopefully.

Educate who you can, stay active with your reps, call the school, do whatever you think will help or get awareness out, and CARRY on.

I'm sorry your grand daughter had to go through that, though I'm glad no one was hurt. It is very maddening!

Interesting to note would be my own children's response to the current increase in school security measures.

For reference, I have three children: one son (14) and two daughters (13 and 11).

They have exhibited an intuitive grasp of the current idiocy with respect to such matters as armed policemen or armed security in the schools. And it isn't because they have been raised by "gun nuts" either, because my wife and I are most certainly not gun nuts.

They question why it's not the bad guy(s) who are held responsible, why anybody thinks that such measures would stop someone from actually hurting/killing children anyway, and what the odds are that any such event would happen in the first place (given that there are tens of thousands of schools nationwide).

And one even made the connection about such acts occuring in a place were guns aren't allowed in the first place, so of course it makes sense that someone would commit such a crime there...there's nobody allowed to shoot back!

There is hope for the future generation(s). I have seen it.

Gun bans won't make schools safer, but schools ARE already pretty darned safe. You forget that Columbine had an armed sheriff's deputy, Neil Gardner, patrolling the school on April 20, 1999. Virginia Tech had police on campus. 89% of schools have controlled access to buildings, 45% have controlled access to school grounds, and 27% of schools currently have daily police or security. There are 50 million school-aged youths in America. The data below, provided by the government, shows homicides and victimizations on school campuses. You're probably safer in school than running around in public. You'll notice that school-related crimes have dropped precipitously the last two decades and homicides have remained somewhat consistent, with some dips and peaks.

Table 1.2. Number of school-associated violent deaths of students, staff, and nonstudents, by type: School years 1992–93 to 2009–10
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/crimeindicators/crimeindicators2011/tables/table_01_2.asp

Table 2.1. Number of nonfatal victimizations against students ages 12–18 and rate of victimizations per 1,000 students, by type of victimization, location, and year: 1992–2010
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/crimeindicators/crimeindicators2011/tables/table_02_1.asp

Percentage of schools with various security measures, by school control and selected characteristics: 2007-08:
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d11/tables/dt11_168.asp

I hate to be the one to say this, as I know your family must still be reeling from todays events, but is anything being done to make sure this guy doesn't come back, or to deal with him if he does?

I don't want to sound alarmist, but it would be prudent to give this some thought.

The poor little petal!

I hope she was able to regain a small measure of calm and reassurance.
If it was my children I would be vastly reluctant to send them back into that environment until the perp. was caught.

I'd also be inquiring if any schools in the district had armed guards.

Might be time for a change if school if it's at all feasible.

EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL SHOKTING COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED OR DRASTICALLY SHORTENED BY HAVING EVEN A SINGLE PERSON ON SITE TO DEFEND AGAINST THE ATTACKER(S).

You guard things of value! You lock your house doors. You beep the alarm on your car. You put your money and jewelry in vaults. Do people not value their children?

Did anyone bother to read my post? Did anyone bother to look at the current gubment statistics on school homicides, school violence, and security measures in schools?

If we're relying on hearsay from a five year old child, I'm not sold on the "very real" part. Nothing personal.

When will the common citizen realize that they are completely responsible for their own safety and welfare. Wne will the average every day citizen realize that when only seconds count, the police are minutes away! When?

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If they are not conservatives... NEVER.

Cesiumsponge said:

Gun bans won't make schools safer, but schools ARE already pretty darned safe. You forget that Columbine had an armed sheriff's deputy, Neil Gardner, patrolling the school on April 20, 1999. Virginia Tech had police on campus. 89% of schools have controlled access to buildings, 45% have controlled access to school grounds, and 27% of schools currently have daily police or security. There are 50 million school-aged youths in America. The data below, provided by the government, shows homicides and victimizations on school campuses. You're probably safer in school than running around in public. You'll notice that school-related crimes have dropped precipitously the last two decades and homicides have remained somewhat consistent, with some dips and peaks.

Table 1.2. Number of school-associated violent deaths of students, staff, and nonstudents, by type: School years 1992–93 to 2009–10
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/crimeindicators/crimeindicators2011/tables/table_01_2.asp

Table 2.1. Number of nonfatal victimizations against students ages 12–18 and rate of victimizations per 1,000 students, by type of victimization, location, and year: 1992–2010
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/crimeindicators/crimeindicators2011/tables/table_02_1.asp

Percentage of schools with various security measures, by school control and selected characteristics: 2007-08:
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d11/tables/dt11_168.asp

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Agreed. Are people suggesting we make schools into prisons? Because I dont see any other way to prevent *almost* all random violence.

And it definitely wont stop the normal violence & crime between kids.

I sure as heck dont want to pay for prisonizing schools (not to mention what that would do to the kids mentally).

Again.....kids are safer in schools than they are in your cars or at their friend's houses with pools or out in the street on their bikes.

Fear of everything?
Yesterday they locked-down five schools in this county....Because one man was stopped by the police on a road near one school, then he ran from the police. Why did he run? Was he a AR-totin' madman out to massacre students?
Nope....he just had an outstanding traffic ticket warrant.
Yet they locked down five schools for several hours until this madman was apprehended and we were all safe from dead-beat driver!

Unreasonable fear of 'what if' is far worse than reality in most cases.
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maybe if we could get sheriff's to explain the benefits of concealed carry it would have a more rational impact than one of us "gun nuts" saying it. hearing the police tell you ma'am you should be able to protect yourself completely using whatever means you have including a gun, because I may not get to you in time. if they told people how many times they were to late they people would start to feel a little fear.

Start with simple truth

The simple truth is that there has NEVER been a 'gun problem' at the schools where the presidents children go.

ALL presidents children that is.

So lets start with what any and all "active shooters" would know about that school.

There are HEAVILY armed men there with submachine guns and handguns and they will shoot you dead if you attempt to harm any there.

SO,using this as an example can you see the OBVIOUS answer to schools being safe ?.

I say this falls under the K.I.S.S. principle :banghead:

Sorry to hear that Gamestalker. I wish these politicians would realize that criminals don't follow the laws. When it comes to our children, we as parents, the schools and governments should do anything and everything to protect them. They can make all of the gun free zones and new laws they want, all this does is make it harder to protect our children.

As a father myself, I know what I would do to protect ANY child. Until I became a father it never hit quite as close to home. It is a sad day in this nation, that we protect our money and valuables better than our children. IMO schools need armed guards. We live in an overpopulated, depressing world that allows the media to talk about these mass murderers for months. We have also become too lenient on criminals. We have to be careful not to tread on their rights...... Ugh... Enough of the rant.

What I am trying to say in my long-winded way is, things need to change. As much as I email, write and call about gun rights, I do the same about better protecting our children. We need to apply pressure to our politicians about better security for schools. Right now it is easy to forget that while the battle for the 2nd amendment is going on.

There needs to be an elimination of gun free zones PERIOD. If New Yorkistan or Commiechussets doesn't want guns near their precious kids let them pay the price of their deaths, for my area I want a teacher or principal or parent to be armed to the teeth if they so choose.

While all the BS about gun bans and more rediculous firearm restrictions is being worked on by the politicians, nothing is being done to protect our children. Safety is not even in the initial stage of planning.

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While the polititians are dragging their feet, here in Ohio Buckeye Firearms has announced a program to provide teachers who are interested, free tactical training. It's free of charge to the teacher but it cost $1000.00 each for the organization to provide so they are seeking donations from the members and anyone who would like to see this succeed.

They filled the 1st class within 20 mins. of annoucing the availabilty and there are schools that have already stated they will be arming certain teachers as a deterent.

Those of you who are interested in the program or who would like to start up something of this nature in your State, you can go here to read up on it. I'm sure that if you have any questions the fine folks at Buckeye Firearms would be more than willing to help you in any way they can.

Link:

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/

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