ammo shortage

Went to LGS few days ago. They had Hornady JHPs 155gr, 180gr, Buffalo Bore JHPs, HPR JHPs, plus FMJs from Remington and American Eagle. The prices were same as before last election. There is no shortage of ammo. Please stop creating panic among gun owners.

PabloJ said:

Went to LGS few days ago. They had Hornady JHPs 155gr, 180gr, Buffalo Bore JHPs, HPR JHPs, plus FMJs from Remington and American Eagle. The prices were same as before last election. There is no shortage of ammo. Please stop creating panic among gun owners.

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Maybe you should go back and ask them how long it lasted. While you're there, try and buy a brick of .22 for $15

Denying a fact doesn't change the fact.

PabloJ said:

Went to LGS few days ago. They had Hornady JHPs 155gr, 180gr, Buffalo Bore JHPs, HPR JHPs, plus FMJs from Remington and American Eagle. The prices were same as before last election. There is no shortage of ammo. Please stop creating panic among gun owners.

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^^ This, the more I see the more I feel this is not a shortage as much as a huge, TEMPORARY spike in demand. The ammo is arriving at the dealers, and going out onto the shelves, same as always. You just have to be there at the right time. Just because you and everybody else spends WAAAY more on ammo and is stockpiling WAAAY more than you were 6 months ago doesn't mean there is a "shortage", per say....and just because ammo manufacturers are not geared up to deal with a TEMPORARY spike this big doesn't mean the industry is losing ground or doesn't have its feet under it. Temporary demand is just that, temporary, and its better to have temporary backorders than permanent unused machinery.
I see .22lr ammo arriving on shelf at my local sporting goods store at the same times, in the same amounts, as always. The difference is, people are buying them up incredibly quick. Use hasn't gone up, supply hasn't gone down, demand sure has gone up though.
I saw .223 Remington boxes of 20 yesterday at the LGS for $9.99, same as before the panic. A few days before it was bricks of Blazer .22lr for $20/brick at the local sporting goods store.

9mm 115gr fmj Blazer is up about $5 a box over what they were 4 -5 months ago. They are now $18 a box.

i think the one's buying them up don't shoot,they are turning around and selling them.

The demand is up, not the production down... people are panic buying. A local gun store here is getting a deleivery a week and 9mm, 223 and 45 are all gone in less thean 48 hours. And he is getting a palet of ammo, not a few cases. People arent walking in and buying 2 or 3 boxes, they are walking in and buying 2 or 3 CASES of ammo... At some point when people have what they think to be enough, they will back down on the demand and you will see it on shelves again. Its the people who before december had 10,000 rounds and figured they were "prepared" now think they need 100,000 to be prepared... for what, I am not sure, but they are prepared...

I would think that foreign manufacturers of ammunition would step up and fill the void.

I walked in Walmart today and they had 3 boxes of Tula .380 FMJ for $14.97 50ct. I bought all three boxes because the two LGS I frequent and this Walmart haven't had any in over a month. I normally would probably have bought 1-2 boxes since I often carry a .380 but I "panic bought" all three.

Went to my local Cabela's in Kansas City this past weekend and was told that they get deliveries of ammo and reloading supplies in frequently and it sells out in the first hour...every time. Further, he told me there is a line at the door every morning when they open. They have limit on how much you can buy, but it still sells out quickly. To there credit, Cabela's is selling the ammo for their usual prices, when they could probably double the price.

No one said production had slowed down.

Things are crazy now and they won't return to normal anytime soon.

Let Obama say something else, issue an EO on imported ammo and/or if something passes congress, then it gets worse.

I picked up 3 one hundred round boxes of WWB 9mm at one of the local Wally Worlds yesterday, needed to replace the two I shot over the weekend and add one extra.

This is an automatic cartridge loading machine.


It's only one of the machine that's needed to process raw materials into a complete cartridge.
It's not like the ammo manufacturers can go down to the local machine making place and pick one of these up for a few thousand to increase production. Not to mention he also needs the other machines as well. Even if could pony up the bucks these things are not "in stock", it's got to take months to make one of these.

All this to say that there's just so much capacity and what with the advent of just in time stocking practices, ammo manufactures can't keep up with this much increased demand until the dumb butts who are hoarding ammo run out of money and stop buying. We can only place the blame on our idiot brothers who keep this insanity in motion.

Went to LGS few days ago. They had Hornady JHPs 155gr, 180gr, Buffalo Bore JHPs, HPR JHPs, plus FMJs from Remington and American Eagle. The prices were same as before last election. There is no shortage of ammo. Please stop creating panic among gun owners.

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The LGS is two miles from my house and always has the Coffee pot on.
I spend a lot of time there shooting the bull, so I see the manager in action with his distributors a lot.
Not only can't he get ammo, he can't get guns. Last week he managed to get a case of 9mm, .380 and 32 and you would think he won the lottery.

I see a LOT of people coming in looking for guns and ammo. The story is the same over and over, "Man I've looked everywhere and I can't find any 9mm, 22, etc, etc."

I'm teaching five ladies to shoot. In the last several weeks I've given them almost 5,000 rounds of 22LR, .223, 32, .380, 38 Special and 9mm.

Went to LGS few days ago. They had Hornady JHPs 155gr, 180gr, Buffalo Bore JHPs, HPR JHPs, plus FMJs from Remington and American Eagle. The prices were same as before last election. There is no shortage of ammo. Please stop creating panic among gun owners.
"pablo" I have been trying to get 22 lr for over a month at 3 different WM. There is none I would call it a shortage perhaps you have a better word for it.Regardless I am not creating panic among the gun owners. Obama did that.

hogshead said:

Went to LGS few days ago. They had Hornady JHPs 155gr, 180gr, Buffalo Bore JHPs, HPR JHPs, plus FMJs from Remington and American Eagle. The prices were same as before last election. There is no shortage of ammo. Please stop creating panic among gun owners.
"pablo" I have been trying to get 22 lr for over a month at 3 different WM. There is none I would call it a shortage perhaps you have a better word for it.Regardless I am not creating panic among the gun owners. Obama did that.

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I have joined the panic crowd and cleaned out LGS of all JHP 10x25mm ammo. Not but in times like ours one must think of numero UNO.

Man this shortage is making competitions hard. I'm glad I have enough ammo to get through my next few, but I can't afford to buy a whole year's worth of competition ammo all at once.

BTW, the .22lr I buy is $15/box and always has been. But that's Eley for ya...

I had a friend call me yetserday afternoon to borrow some .22 ammo. This a pretty well off financial planner that mostly shoots quail and skeet but they were going to do some target shooting prior to today's quail hunt. He went to 4 stores in Columbus GA as well as Barrow Automotive, 40 miles east of columbus, and could not find a single box of 22. He only wanted a couple of hundred rounds.
Saying there is no shortage of ammo is like saying there is no shortage of gas because Saudi Arabia has plenty of oil.

No shortage?

Yea, we can play semantics.

I was surprised to see nearly a pallet of Federal AE 9mm FMJ at a local gun store yesterday. I suppose if you're a big enough outfit you can (eventually) get some ammo. This shop is big enough that a few years ago it was Winchester's ammo dealer of the year.

Oh yeah, there was a one box limit and $21.95 iirc. I offered to sell them some of my ammo for resale, but they can't do that. I started buying ammo in 2002 when I first thought about retiring and when I finally retired this past October I was still stocking up when I found a sale.

I was there to buy a spinnerbait box and look for a boat seat, but ended up at Bass Pro for the boat seat. I didn't even bother to walk upstairs to the gun dept. I'd just been to both places Sunday.

JohnBT said:

I was surprised to see nearly a pallet of Federal AE 9mm FMJ at a local gun store yesterday. I suppose if you're a big enough outfit you can (eventually) get some ammo. This shop is big enough that a few years ago it was Winchester's ammo dealer of the year.

Oh yeah, there was a one box limit and $21.95 iirc. I offered to sell them some of my ammo for resale, but they can't do that. I started buying ammo in 2002 when I first thought about retiring and when I finally retired this past October I was still stocking up when I found a sale.

I was there to buy a spinnerbait box and look for a boat seat, but ended up at Bass Pro for the boat seat. I didn't even bother to walk upstairs to the gun dept. I'd just been to both places Sunday.

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All local Bubbas go there I suspect shelves are empty of higher demand stuff. Last time I was there they had sign by .222 spot that said that it was not same as .223! Very funny stuff.

Do you remember what happened about 5 years ago when gas prices shot up and everyone thought there was a gas shortage? And do you remember what happened about a week later when everyone backed off and let the supply build back up? In short, we created the shortage.

So, if we all took a 60 day break and didn't buy anything for 60 days and didn't raid the stores after the 60 days then supply would probably level off and the shelves would be full again and if the shelves were full then we wouldn't feel the need to hoard and so on. The tough part is getting everyone to agree to that 60 day moratorium. Won't happen, so we will have to endure this a bit longer.

Now, imagine what will happen if there is even the slightest interruption in the food/essentials supply chain.

Except this isn't anything like 2008

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Of course not. It was Obama's first term. He did not touch on Gun control much, but now that he's on his 2nd, he's got nothing to lose.

If someone foolishly waits until the last minute, you're right. Warning signs have been there since the 60's, but did everyone sleep thru the 2008 shortage? There was at least a 4 yr warning this time.

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I never saw any warning signs from the 60's, i'm sure others didn't either. You have to remember that not everyone was born around the 60's, and many new gun owners today are not even aware of 2008 shortage or 1994 AWB.

No shortage?

Yea, we can play semantics.

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Exactly.

A spike in Demand will cause a shortage in supply. You can sugarcoat it anyway you like, or hide behind the lie of denial, but we have a shortage.

Sometimes, having a slightly oddball caliber is fortunate in times like these. I was at Cabelas the other day and most of the shelves were pretty bare. However, they still had 10mm (something I picked-up last year) and .41mag (something a friend owns).

justice06rr said:

Of course not. It was Obama's first term.

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And the 6-12 month shortage on ammo, mags and ARs took place based on the fear of what this rabid anti-gunner might do.

I never saw any warning signs from the 60's, i'm sure others didn't either.

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Which doesn't change the fact. The 1968 GCA was a wakeup call, as were proposals for an ammo tax of 10,000% (yeah, 10,000) and other draconian measures.

many new gun owners today are not even aware of 2008 shortage

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Are they also unaware who won the election??

The two Walmarts nearby actually got in some Federal 9mm 115 fmj. That was all they got! I was hoping for some 45 or 380. I don't own a nine...yet.