This Will Make Your Blood Boil!

What a damn country.

Yeah, I seen that yesterday on another forum I am a member of. Too bad you couldn't sue over some stupid junk like that. In case many of you don't know, this really isn't a free country, at least not anymore.

They can stop by a demand a Ferrari too...doesn't mean they are going to get one. So sorry, we're busy, try again when you have a warrant.

People shouldn't have to worry about these things, but in today's times, people are getting pretty stupid about what they post on FB and youtube.
Anyone can and will read whatever they want into any post anywhere.

Was it wrong to post a child with a firearm?
No.
Did he open himself up for problems? I'd say yes.

I think some kind of procedural complaint could be lodged against the DYFS girl, as refusing to ID' herself is probably violating departmental procedure, and possibly the law. Asking an agent to identify themselves is one of the first things in establishing that you have any kind of bona fide reason for being there. Without credentials, the people on your doorstep may as well be robbers or assailants on a ruse.

I'd tighten up my privacy controls too, looks like one of thier Facebook friends ain't really a friend.

People shouldn't have to worry about these things, but in today's times, people are getting pretty stupid about what they post on FB and youtube.
Anyone can and will read whatever they want into any post anywhere.

Was it wrong to post a child with a firearm?
No.
Did he open himself up for problems? I'd say yes.

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Sorry, but this is the wrong way to look at it. Dead wrong. Generations of American youths were introduced to firearms at a young age and taught to shoot by their parents or grandparents. My dad bought me my first rifle, a .22 Browning T bolt, when I was five. Of course, I was only allowed to handle it when he was around, but it was "mine." I had my first BB gun not long after that, and I was allowed to roam the neighborhood with it. This was a normal part of growing up in this country. There is nothing wrong with this.

The whole attitude that "well he opened himself up to this," smacks of defeatism, and of yielding the argument to the antis that guns aren't appropriate for small children, even with strict and responsible adult supervision.

Well, sorry, but I for one will not yield that point. Guns are appropriate for young shooters, when responsibly supervised. Moreover, it's necessary to introduce young shooters to the sport, inculcate enthusiasm for shooting sports into them, and get them used to living with and being responsible around guns, so that they can become responsible adults who will safeguard their rights under the second amendment, and feel a duty to do so.

When stories like this come along, we need to push back hard. They need to think it's raining hammers. That kind of hard. It's the only way we'll ever retake the culture and stop the trend the antis have been promoting for decades to marginalize gun owners and reduce us to a fringe element, regarded with suspicion by the mainstream of society. For my money, that means not just publicizing it when overzealous government flunkies exceed their authority like this, but holding them accountable, and suing if there's ground for every abuse that rises to a sufficient level.

Lol, and he's a NRA Instructor with his lawyer on the phone. They might want to never come back..

Agreed! There was nothing in that picture to suggest ANY type of abuse, neglect, or misconduct as a parent. Dad responded very appropriately...

that is the problem with many people in the gov. (and society in general) There is no respect for other peoples rights and apparently not enough intellegence to know better. Trouble is the gov. people act as if they have authority and appear to have authority to do these things. Plus, there are no ramifications or consequences for bad behavior.

It is getting more and more like the book 1984. Unacceptable thoughts or actions that violate the 'moral rules' or allowable thoughts and armed men in armor show up at the door. It is scary to see the extent to which certain people in government use the police and their intimidation (armed with weapons) to enforce their societal preferences (no kids with guns pictures), when no law has been broken. This reflects badly on the police, who have a tough job dealing with read bad people, but are often now used as pawns to enforce the liberal agenda. This is why rural sherrifs and police are speaking out against gun bans because they are tired of being tasked with this BS.

Call CPS on me, now.



My son on the Christmas morning that he received his first rifle, a CZ 452 Scout .22lr. It is stored in my safe, though he keeps the range bag in his room. Oh wait, that's probably not juicy enough...



There he is, eleven years old, firing a 5.56mm SA vz-58 on the range, real Modern Sporting Rifle, real ammo, real targets, real safety, and he really had a blast, pun intended.

Bring 'em on. Good on that NJ dad for knowing his rights, and standing up for them.

when I was younger it was considrered bad parenting if you did NOT teach your kids about guns, gun safety, and how to use them properly.

In my case no one called Child Services, we just made the parenting failblog:
http://failblog.org/2011/12/14/crazy-parenting-fails-parenting-fails-dont-forget-to-burn-the-body/

12many said:

when I was younger it was considrered bad parenting if you did NOT teach your kids about guns, gun safety, and how to use them properly.

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^^ this ^^

Sounds like a typical idiot reaction from some local NJ Popo's and knee jerk tactics common in the Trenton and Burlington County area. Left Jersey in 1991. Never looked back.

The article did state that the father said the police were professional and were only there at the request of DYFS. My biggest problem is with her absolute refusal to show her credentials and the running away when the father tried to take her picture. Why would a government agent act like that???

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Because she knew she had no authority or legal justification for what she was doing and did not want to give him evidence that could come back and be used against her?

Absolutely sickening.

What would the results have been if the police and that social worker had managed to get into the safe??

I'm sick of the misuse of power by these petty dictators.

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Mike

When I grow up I want to be an anti-social worker.

I would not have even let them in the door.

It is not clear to me the extent to which the police were supporting the CW worker. They sure were not there to defend the dad and they were there in support of and at the reqeust of the CW worker. My problem is when police aid or are part of the process. They are armed and can take a person to jail at any time, even if the charges are later dropped. It also gets all the neighbors looking when armed police and their lights flashing are at your door.

Why does some nut job from CW services with a social agenda get to have 4 police show up with her?

Police need to be responsible and be aware of the position they are being put in by the politicians and other people in governemnt who want to use the police force to control behavior, even when that behavior is not breaking any laws or when the police are used to violate constituational rights, such as may be the case as a result of gun bans.

A bit off topic, but in jurisdications where gun bans (washington DC, Chicago) were in existance, the government passed laws in violation of the 2nd amendment and used armed police force to enfoce unconstitutional restrictions on the people including arrest and incarceration.

What should have occured is that the police should have inquired about the offense by the parent against the child and upon learning that the offense was the picture, should have not assisted the CW worker in harrasing that man. If the man asked the lady to leave, the police should have assisted in removing the CW worker from the property.

In this situation the police know they are in the wrong which is why they will not take press contact or any statements. You know if they did something good or were in the right they would want to be in front of the camera and talking to the press.

Bubbles said:

In my case no one called Child Services, we just made the parenting failblog:
http://failblog.org/2011/12/14/crazy-parenting-fails-parenting-fails-dont-forget-to-burn-the-body/

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Wonder if the parents of all of the Olympic medalists in shooting sports made the fail blog.

I'm not saying it is wrong to teach the young to shoot and respect firearms by any means, I'm all for it.
I'm all for anyone owning any type of firearm they want.
I don't think we should back down on anything concerning any of our rights,
But would you, right now, publish a list of every firearm you own, including serial numbers in a post on facebook?

Given the current temperature of society right now, I don't believe that would be a smart thing to do.

Given the fact that a child recently went into a school and shot up a bunch of children, I personally don't think I'd be blasting the internet with a picture of my kid holding and/or shooting an evil black gun. It just doesn't seem like a brilliant idea, unless you're looking to catch some flak, and get your kid on some not allowed to go to school list.

Yeah it's not right, but the facts, and the reactions right now speak for themselves.

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Because she knew she had no authority or legal justification for what she was doing and did not want to give him evidence that could come back and be used against her?

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That's probably the case. She knew what she was doing was wrong. Sickening, just sickening.

Blood boiling is right! Spreading the word on this one. Good on him for knowing and standing up for his rights. 12many: well said!