Slidefire DIY home build

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Well, I suppose it'd be rather tricky without a few pieces of equipment that aren't in your average home, but when you have a bunch of extra A2 grips, M4 stocks and a day that isn't good for much besides screwing around in the shop or playing video games, this is what happens:

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Two grips were sacrificed to make this work, and obviously the buttstock is extensively modified, but otherwise my only investment was some steel stock, a few springs and fasteners and about 5 hours of my day.

It works in the same way as the commercial slidefire stock, but I opted for wings on both sides of the trigger to reduce the margin of human error. The assembly slides back and forth 1/4" on the buffer tube, and the grip is kept aligned by a step cut into the right side of it that mates with the block attached to the lower, which retains the selector spring:

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The chassis that connects the grip and stock is a continuous piece of 1/2" x 1/4" steel, runs right through the grip. It's secured to the grip by one screw at the bottom and another on the welded left side trigger wing. The stock is attached vie a roll pin at the lower portion and a 3/8-24 button head allen that is threaded directly into the existing detent pin hole. Obviously, I had to mill off a portion of the plastic to make it mate correctly.

I'm not real good about before and after pictures, but I did have the presence of mind to snap the mock-up:

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It does secure to the rifle like the commercial slidefire, and can be locked for single fire. The cut down stainless socket head screw at the rear of the stock is spring loaded; With the piece of wrench under it, the stock slides. With the piece of wrench pulled back and the bolt all the way in, it's locked. The assembly is removed simply by holding the bolt all the way up. I will probably improve this aspect of it later with a lathe machined pin, but I was getting tired.

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It is a sort-of dedicated lower for this stock, at least in regards to the safety selector. I had the selector removed during mock up, didn't account for clearance there, so the selector has been dremeled a bit. Oh well, still works fine.

I'll also paint it at some point here, but I didn't want to wait for paint to dry to see if it was all going to work out. Haven't test fired it yet, but I'm confident it'll work just fine.

And no, the buttpad isn't to deal with recoil. lol. It ended up a little on the short side, so I'm just spacing it with that slip on pad for now, until I have time to mill a new plate from ABS or Delrin.

If the real slidefires were priced reasonably for the hunks of plastic they are, I'd have just bought one. But $350 is ridiculous, and they're known for breaking. Mine won't, and even if it does, it's easily fixed.

Here's to cold, snowy days!

(now I need a warmer, not-so-snowy day for testing!)
 
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Looks pretty good. I agree, for the price there is no reason to at least not try and build you're own first. Check out mattv2099's channel on youtube. He's made a couple of home made bumpfire stocks for 10/22's and SKS's by using those Tapco stocks.
 
Check out mattv2099's channel on youtube. He's made a couple of home made bumpfire stocks for 10/22's and SKS's by using those Tapco stocks.

I watched his, and some others.

There's a, ummmm........slight difference between the way I do things and the way youtubers seem to. :scrutiny:

An aside, for anyone who has wheels turning in their own head about doing this: I have large hands and very long fingers (9-1/8" thumb tip to pinky tip), so reaching around the wide grip and the double finger rest is not a problem for me, but it might be for those with smaller hands/shorter fingers. I'm sure this is why Slidefire uses a one-sided finger rest.
 
With the wings on both sides of the trigger dosn't that make single shot difficult?

Awesome job btw.
 
With the wings on both sides of the trigger dosn't that make single shot difficult?

Not really. I just move my finger right a little bit, so that it falls to the inside of the left wing. But again, I'm sure my set up would prove difficult to use for those with smaller hands. Hopefully we'll have decent weather this coming weekend so I can try it out, and my buddy has much shorter fingers than I do, so he'll be able to say if that makes it tough to use.
 
Wait wait wait is the spring actually allowing for the rapid fire or is just a recoil buffer?

If the spring makes the bumpfiring happen you have just violated the NFA.
I definitely agree... it sure does look spring assisted, and knowing the history of the ATF, looks alone are all that matters. Tread carefully.
 
Seems like even taking the chance of getting a felony over a pretty useless range toy is a bad idea. Good luck with that.

Felony for what?

Some of you seem hell bent on derailing my thread with legal caveats, even though you have no understanding of what I've built, despite a detailed description and a video demonstrating function.

There is no spring or other mechanical assist. It works in EXACTLY the same way as a commercial Slidefire, which ATF says is OK:

http://www.slidefire.com/downloads/BATFE.pdf

The only difference, and the purpose of the springs, is that instead of pulling down and rotating the locking pin to allow sliding action as on the commercial Slidefire, my design incorporates a spring loaded catch that slips under the detent pin to hold it out. I made the video clip to demonstrate for you naysayers that the springs do nothing under recoil.

If I were going to make a spring assisted stock, the spring would be large enough to actually return the rifle to battery, would be inside the stock's bore, and I certainly wouldn't be posting about it. That, and if I were going to violate the NFA, I'd just go all the way with real M16 parts & receiver rather than screwing around with a spring loaded stock.
 
Not saying anything you're doing is illegal. What I'm saying is that you've fabricated a bump fire stock that has springs prominently displayed. I see that they don't assist in the bump firing action of the stock. I have nothing against bump firing. I have one of those Slide Fire stocks, played with it for a minute or two, now it's gathering dust.

All I'm saying is that the appearance alone is the kind of thing that could raise eyebrows.

It's not that you've done anything wrong, but why invite scrutiny?
 
It's not that you've done anything wrong, but why invite scrutiny?

I hold an FFL03 and currently have an SBR form 1 in it's final days of review. I'm already under scrutiny.

The system I devised for stock retention and locking was simply the most practical route. Trying to use a threaded in piece in that thin portion of the stock would have just resulted in wallered threads in short order, and the pin falling out. As it is, I'm probably going to have to build an aluminum or steel guide for the pin, as I'm sure the hole it sits in will become elongated in fairly short order. When I do make that piece, it will probably closely resemble the system used on the commercial slidefire.

If ATF wants to pester me about this thing, so be it. It is functionally identical to already approved bump fire stocks.

It seems like people who have never really dealt with ATF believe that they have millions of agents just waiting to harass people for any possible made-up reason, then throw you in jail until you prove that you didn't break any laws. Fact is, when they want to go after someone, they investigate extensively and already have substantial evidence of real violations before they get a warrant and take action. In truth, there are tens of thousands of illegal SBRs, SBSs, AOWs and illegal machine guns out there, some of them being posted on youtube. I seriously doubt they're going to waste resources and launch an investigation on me, a person they've already vetted several times, just to be 100% sure that my creation is what I've demonstrated publicly.
 
MachIVshooter - Despite the nay saying, I for one appreciate the time and effort you took to produce this thread. At my own peril :)eek:), I will be using your info as a guide for making my own. Thanks much…..Frankie
 
I will be using your info as a guide for making my own

If you need any details I didn't describe, don't hesitate to ask! That said, there's nothing especially difficult about making such a critter. It's just time consuming, because there is inevitably fitment issues once you go from mocked to actually welded and bolted together. I spent just as much time tweaking and clearancing as building. Just how it goes with one-off stuff, especially when you're like me and spend little (if any) time measuring. The only measurement I took for this project was trigger travel; everything else was eyeballed.

Any chance we'll see a range video anytime soon?

Once I know it works! :eek:
 
Once you get it working reliably you should show it to the guys at Defense Distributed.
 
That's beautiful. Good on you, and thanks for sharing. I love to see people come up with creative solutions.

I agree the commercial versions are outrageously priced (you could probably start a thread on why they cost so much...), but OTOH, I don't really have the money to burn in .223 ammo, either. Now, if a guy could tune one up to work with a .22LR upper...I understand they don't produce enough recoil, but do you think it'd work with a light-as-possible rifle and a very light trigger?
 
Now, if a guy could tune one up to work with a .22LR upper...I understand they don't produce enough recoil, but do you think it'd work with a light-as-possible rifle and a very light trigger?

Some guys seem to be able to make them run with practice, but it seems that most have difficulty with true continuous fire.

If the registry is ever reopened, one of those miniature 1919s is definitely on my must-have list!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttRYcURXK5M&feature=endscreen&NR=1
 
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