slide fire work?

Well back before this insane madness with gun/ammo prices, I was seriously considering getting a Bumpski bump fire stock to put on an AK-74. This was when 5.45x39mm was about $0.14 a shot. Now it can't even be found for sale.

Aside from occasional fun, I could see it being used in a suppression/close quarters role in SHTF-WROL for shock and awe. Sending 30 rounds of 5.45mm lead downrange in a couple seconds would sure be a hell of a deterrent to say a group of bandits or pillagers. But to me, aimed semi-auto fire is far superior in most situations, and a quick trigger finger on semi would pretty much cause the same effect.

My local gunsmith guy told me that he's installed several Slidefires. After folks learn to control them, they get plenty of hits.

I read either here or at TFL that when hunting hogs from a helicopter (Texas) that a competent user can do well when a sounder of hogs is spotted.

And that's all I know about them.

+1 on the rubber band around the mag and trigger. I do it with my RPK and do the whole magazines with it. I cannot believe that people are paying such ludicrous prices for something that can be achieved with a .0001 cent rubber band. Plus, when you get good (like I have with it), you can bump fire *without* a rubber band, slide fire or belt loop. It does get tough after a while, since my RPK is so durn heavy up at shoulder height for more than a couple minutes

A lot of people may not have heard about this scenario. When I was in college, we had a small pack of pen inserts in a display case, that were used in space. The idea was - ballpoint pens do not work in orbit/space, since there's no gravity to pull the ink down. Hence, NASA developed an initiative to develop air-pressurized pens, that worked on earth and in space. Each pen insert cost a LOT of money to make (especially with engineering and R&D to develop it). But they worked great.

The Russians used pencils.


See what I'm getting at? I digress, thanks for bearing with me.

I have one and love it, have a dedicated lower for it so I can switch it out. It's also great way to pickup brass from all my buddies! You can control it despite what most people say, and if used properly I think it can become a great tool. Cause a tool is exactly what it is, just like any other firearm accessory. But it doesn't make since to me if you haven't shot one and are saying that they are useless, inaccurate or not worth the money. I mean 5.56 ammo isn't worth $1/round but people payed it. To me it's worth the $300, cause if SHTF I wouldn't want to be caught pulling out my rubber band and relying on it to sling some lead.

My biggest issue with the slidefire (besides the fact that I think it looks like an abomination of the worst degree) is the legal ramifications of having one. Hear me out now. I know that Slidefires are perfectly legal. I know that TECHNICALLY, there would be no problem with using one in legal self-defense, tactics-wise. However, imagine, if you will, a scenario in which you use your Slidefire equipped AR (or perhaps AK) in a legitimate self-defense situation. Already given the politically charged nature of the gun control debate, using an AR or an AK skates awfully close to the line of "overkill" in the eyes of many court systems. Now imagine the "fun" a prosecution lawyer could have when he found out that you had attached an aftermarket device to your rifle to allow it to simulate full-auto fire. I would submit to you that the average citizens on a jury are not as well-versed on firearms laws as you or I are, and with a little persuasion by a convincing lawyer, could very easily turn your legitimate self defense case into a raving gun nut with a machine gun who said "make my day" as he pulled the trigger. I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer here, I'm just stating a legitimate possibility you have to be aware of in the case of you getting involved in a defensive scenario armed with a weapon with a Slidefire. Now don't get me wrong, I like shooting fast just as much as the rest of us. However, in my case, and given the political situation in my specific area regarding guns, I think I would probably pass on the Slidefire.

^ That is more paranoia thinking IMO.

As stated, the Slidefire is completely legal and does not turn your rifle into a true FA weapon.

What would it matter if you actually shot a bad guy with a semiauto or full-auto gun anyway? If you are in fear of your life and justified to defend yourself, it would not matter if you shot the BG with a 22lr or 50BMG, semi or FA.

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As far as the topic of the Slidefire itself, its a cool little trinket if you can afford it. Its a much better alternative than going the Full-auto route with a Class3 rifle.

I've thought of buying one since my LGS has a few laying around, but I'm intending to wait until ammo comes back in supply again.

MagnumWill said:

+1 on the rubber band around the mag and trigger. I do it with my RPK and do the whole magazines with it. I cannot believe that people are paying such ludicrous prices for something that can be achieved with a .0001 cent rubber band. Plus, when you get good (like I have with it), you can bump fire *without* a rubber band, slide fire or belt loop. It does get tough after a while, since my RPK is so durn heavy up at shoulder height for more than a couple minutes

A lot of people may not have heard about this scenario. When I was in college, we had a small pack of pen inserts in a display case, that were used in space. The idea was - ballpoint pens do not work in orbit/space, since there's no gravity to pull the ink down. Hence, NASA developed an initiative to develop air-pressurized pens, that worked on earth and in space. Each pen insert cost a LOT of money to make (especially with engineering and R&D to develop it). But they worked great.

The Russians used pencils.


See what I'm getting at? I digress, thanks for bearing with me.

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Fisher space pen , writes underwater too.

justice06rr said:

^ That is more paranoia thinking IMO.

As stated, the Slidefire is completely legal and does not turn your rifle into a true FA weapon.

What would it matter if you actually shot a bad guy with a semiauto or full-auto gun anyway? If you are in fear of your life and justified to defend yourself, it would not matter if you shot the BG with a 22lr or 50BMG, semi or FA.

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As far as the topic of the Slidefire itself, its a cool little trinket if you can afford it. Its a much better alternative than going the Full-auto route with a Class3 rifle.

I've thought of buying one since my LGS has a few laying around, but I'm intending to wait until ammo comes back in supply again.

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dcarch has a very good point... It's not like reporters and media care what legal or whats not. They care about whats sensational. And if poeple are scared because they think poeple have an easy way to make a weapon "full auto" whether it is or not. Simply leaves too much room for stupidity and sensationalist media.

Little do folks know, it literally only takes a bread bag tie to make some AK's full auto, You basically just hold the sear back... In all of my aks theres a point inside the receiver that the sear can be tethered to. When you do that, theres nothing to hold the hammer down if you dont let off the trigger. So it will just keep on flying. I've never tried this of course, the mechanics of this method dont seem very sound and i dont have the money, or the health insurance, or the money once again for a lawyer to be trying these sorts of things... But it really is that simple. Poeple just dont get it. Because they dont take the time to look.

I bought one when first released on a group buy. Easy to operate, not all the inaccurate as it is a 5.56 round, and fun as anything. If you have the cash and the ammo why not buy one and run a beta mag through it every once in a while. You only live once.

i think there a great bang for the buck when you factor in the cost of a class 3 gun these days.

Meyer, G. E., (2009). "Will it hurt me in court: weapons issues and the fears of the legally armed citizen". The Jury Expert, American Society of Trial Consultants, vol 21 no 5, Sept 2009, p 29-42.
http://www.thejuryexpert.com/2009/0...s-and-the-fears-of-the-legally-armed-citizen/

Based on Meyer, G.E., Banos, A.S., Gerondale, T., Kiriazes, K., Lanklin C.M. & Rinker, A.C. (2009). "Juries, Gender, and Assault Weapons", Journal of Applied Social Pscychology, 39, 945-972.

Mock jury (law students) given: Questionable shoot by homeowner against burglar caught stealing a VCR; burglar on order "don't move" curses, threatens to kill. Homeowner shoots and kills burglar. Mock jurors were presented with standard prosecution/defense arguments. Study was to check effect of weapon used on juror opinion. Six weapon choices were used, including AR-15 and Mini-14. Verdict of guilty of manslaughter was 65% if AR-15 was used, 45% if Mini-14 was used. If found guilty, AR-15 users got 7 to 9 years, versus ~2.5 years for Mini-14 users. The jurors were selected from Texas college students.

On intentional but mistaken shootings by police (scenario: officer arriving at reported robbery shoots first three people exiting door) judged by LEOs with lethal force experience: bad shooting by male officer with an AR-15 was judged harsher than with a Glock but bad shooting by female officer with Glock was judged harsher than with an AR-15.

I would like to hear what GEM would have to say about using simulated full-auto in self-defense.

My opinion: Simulated full-auto is for a range toy for funsies only, not for serious self defense use. I own a M1 carbine, Thompson carbine and a Kalashnikov for military match shooting and carry on the mountain for defense aginst predators. My go-to home defense weapons are 12ga pump & #00 buck and a .38 revolver & JHP +P to avoid ricochet and over-penetration.

In all of my aks theres a point inside the receiver that the sear can be tethered to. When you do that, theres nothing to hold the hammer down if you dont let off the trigger. So it will just keep on flying. I've never tried this of course, the mechanics of this method dont seem very sound ....

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An untethered sear can release the hammer before the bolt is fully closed and locked. The actual full auto AK fire control group includes a disconnect to hold the hammer until the bolt is fully locked into the trunion; that also reduces the cyclic rate of the AK from 1/900th of a second to about 1/720th for safe full auto. Installing the disconnect requires drilling a hole in the receiver visible from the outside.

Carl N. Brown said:

An untethered sear can release the hammer before the bolt is fully closed and locked. The actual full auto AK fire control group includes a disconnect to hold the hammer until the bolt is fully locked into the trunion; that also reduces the cyclic rate of the AK from 1/900th of a second to about 1/720th for safe full auto. Installing the disconnect requires drilling a hole in the receiver visible from the outside.

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Ohhh that could be very nasty!... Glad i havent tried it, Have you heard of anyone who has?

So I guess if I shot a BG with a double-barrel shotgun instead of an AR15, i'm less guilty?

I hear Slidefire for the 10/22 is coming out in June or July. . .

Colonel Kernel, even your poster name sounds very cocky. I believe you are young and naive on top of that. I bought a slide fire for my Stag AR15 2 years ago when they first came out. I shot 3 mags of 223 thru it and took it off. That was fun enough. And I paid the high price of $493. I felt kind of stupid for buying it but I had the money. I still have it but it collects dust.
As far as being useful in SHTF scenarios, forget it. Go to semiauto and quit watching TV.

IMHO, which resonates with the majority of posts here, slidefire stocks are kinda cool to show off or have fun for a magazine or two. Otherwise, a waste of money in terms of the stock and the ammo. I'd rather ask a buddy to over with the real thing.

Also, I'd hate to explain to a jury why I blew 30 holes through an intruder in 2.25 seconds, Rambo-style, with an aftermarket stock designed to simulate fully automatic fire rates. It would be an uphill battle to say the least.

Why would you have to explain anything to a jury? Maybe it's the attitude of the LEO's and justice system in my state, but I don't see anyone going to trial for shooting an intruder in their own home.

If I'm shooting large amounts of ammo in short amounts of time, I'm really only financially interested if its in .22lr. With the lack of even that on the market, I will be glad to waste it at slightly slower speeds yet. I've looked at them for the m&p 15-22 but even then it takes a lighter trigger, running another $100-$150 on top of the slide fire cost. At that point I have decided I shoot fast enough in plain semi-auto.

Cool toy for this with the money to set them up and feed them though. If you simply want a tool it is a waste. If you want a toy it's a blast. Decide why you shoot and it should be easy to tell if one is for you.

I own one. It is currently on my Saiga 12. My thoughts: It is silly stupid fun, but the recoil on 12 gauge is such that you're lucky to get 5 shots off in a string before resetting. (3 is more common.) I somewhat fear putting it on my .308 as it is much more expensive to fire.

On the 12, using #4 buck at about 30 yards the accuracy wasn't bad, but you get a lot of spread in 30 yards.

It's cool as all get out fun to shoot.... Lots of fun. Freaks the neighbors out too. I keep mine on for hunting too since it has the option to lock down to prevent the bump and fire one shot on target down range....great trigger, better than my timney even.

as to defending one in court. Bottom line is if you shoot someone with an ak, sks or ar your going to be protrayed as using a machinegun anyway. that said I have a slide fire stock but its on an ar i use for fun not for home defense. I really dont think theres many here so stupid as to unleash ANY full out or bump fire gun in there home if theres an intruder and bottom line is unless someones in your home you dont have much legal right to gun them down with any rifle.