Anybody put better sights on pocket pistols

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kokapelli said:
IMO you can't get better sites than the ones that come on the Sig P238
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i dont like them on mine for some reason. love the night, light up deal but for some reason i have trouble with the rear dots. to big and bubbly..
 
My eyes are 80 years old and really appreciate the three dot night sights that came on my P238.

The sights on my P238 are almost identical in size to the sights on my PM9.

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man yea...i really love the gun...but i like the smaller more well defined (?) sights on my sr9 much more..not sure exactly how to say it but i get lost in the rear, large oval bubbles on the p238
 
Potatohead said:
thats pretty neat. you have any? how do you like?
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I don't, but I'm thinking of taking the leap.

I like the concept of having my sights inline while focusing on the target/assailant rather than lining things up on the fly.

Whoever buys them first outta do a write up.
 
the site doesnt say much about the installation. would that just be run of the mill only one way kinda thing?
 
Don't take offense, as I mean none. I merely question the importance of static accuracy with a defense pistol.
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I'll break it down for you. The purpose isn't to display combat accuracy vs static accuracy of ME as a shooter but the intrinsic accuracy of the WEAPON. Many arguments have been made that the BG380,LCP, P3AT are "pocket pistols" and "only designed for close range" so sights are unimportant. My counter is that the weapon is a pistol like any other, albeit smaller, and is capable of more accuracy than just arms length so why not use it to its potential? Additionally, if the weapon isn't capable of accuracy while "static" it won't be cable of accuracy while you run around the room shooting either. First the weapon must be capable, then you as a shooter. Establishing the first it just as important as the second.

Also, I know its "vogue" to slam anyone who is just shooting their pistol to practice marksmanship skills because they aren't in a pair of 5.11 pants doing rolls behind a barrel and shooting all over the paper on big targets but I do believe anyone who is a good "static shooter" has the building blocks to train to move and shoot but someone who CAN'T shoot well when still sure as heck isn't going to be a better shot on the move.
 
jon_in_wv said:
I'll break it down for you. The purpose isn't to display combat accuracy vs static accuracy of ME as a shooter but the intrinsic accuracy of the WEAPON. Many arguments have been made that the BG380,LCP, P3AT are "pocket pistols" and "only designed for close range" so sights are unimportant. My counter is that the weapon is a pistol like any other, albeit smaller, and is capable of more accuracy than just arms length so why not use it to its potential? Additionally, if the weapon isn't capable of accuracy while "static" it won't be cable of accuracy while you run around the room shooting either. First the weapon must be capable, then you as a shooter. Establishing the first it just as important as the second.

Also, I know its "vogue" to slam anyone who is just shooting their pistol to practice marksmanship skills because they aren't in a pair of 5.11 pants doing rolls behind a barrel and shooting all over the paper on big targets but I do believe anyone who is a good "static shooter" has the building blocks to train to move and shoot but someone who CAN'T shoot well when still sure as heck isn't going to be a better shot on the move.
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Agreed. You're basically stating the "horse before the cart" line of thinking.

But, I think too many get hung up on the horse.

What are 5.11 pants?
 
Wow, hopefully someone a little more open minded knew what I meant. I don't feed trolls.
 
Also, I know its "vogue" to slam anyone who is just shooting their pistol to practice marksmanship skills because they aren't in a pair of 5.11 pants doing rolls behind a barrel and shooting all over the paper on big targets
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lol
 
jon_in_wv said:
Wow, hopefully someone a little more open minded knew what I meant. I don't feed trolls.
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Which, by rereading, you are doing.

You assume "slamming", but also assume that I'm a tacticool shooter who wears certain gear and rolls around behind drums?

Marksmanship is a building block, after that, build something with it. If someone dooms oneself to only marksmanship, what is your worth thereafter? I don't suppose a bad guy is going to hold still for you at 25 yards.

Get over how good you are standing still with all the time in the world to aim, and try going at it while moving, at unknown distances.

Cuz that's how it'll be for real. How good your sights are don't amount to jack if you can't hit while making yourself a hard target.
 
conw said:
Wouldn't it be easier to Google search?
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No.

Is it on topic to comment on pants? No, but here we are.

My point is, I don't get the gist of poorly placed rhetoric, or what point is trying to be made based on what pants I wear. What's that have to do with effectively using sights on a pocket pistol for their purpose by design; to defend oneself.
 
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Which, by rereading, you are doing.
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At least we agree on something.

The thing is, you are arguing "combat shooting" vs "static shooting" like anyone is making an argument for or against either. If you think I am you are sadly mistaken. I was only stating that I was going to show the accuracy potential of the weapon itself which is best done in a static environment. I wasn't saying anything other than that. You have attacked my arguments, then agreed with them, then switched again, then stated my argument back again like it was yours. You are trying to make an argument where there just isn't one.

BTW, 5.11 Tactical is a major supplier of tactical gear and many shooters and gun owners like the wear the 5.11 gear because they think it makes then cool, or hell maybe just because they like them, but I STRONGLY suspect you know that but you are feigning ignorance to further your arguments. Good luck. I'm out.

Here is a link for those who don't actually know.

http://www.511tactical.com/
 
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jon_in_wv said:
At least we agree on something.

The thing is, you are arguing "combat shooting" vs "static shooting" like anyone is making an argument for or against either. If you think I am you are sadly mistaken. I was only stating that I was going to show the accuracy potential of the weapon itself which is best done in a static environment. I wasn't saying anything other than that. You have attacked my arguments, then agreed with them, then switched again, then stated my argument back again like it was yours. You are trying to make an argument where there just isn't one.

BTW, 5.11 Tactical is a major supplier of tactical gear and many shooters and gun owners like the wear the 5.11 gear because they think it makes then cool, or hell maybe just because they like them, but I STRONGLY suspect you know that but you are feigning ignorance to further your arguments. Good luck. I'm out.

Here is a link for those who don't actually know.

http://www.511tactical.com/
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I apologize for making you think I'm attacking bro. I'm not.

I just wanted to get the point across that static accuracy is only part of the equation. Not the biggest part,but a part nonetheless. I seriously do not know what those pants are, looked it up, and I agree: a tacticool deal.

Using static accuracy for a building block, which I specified, has merit. I didn't agree with you with anything but that, nevr changed, so am I being attacked?

I'm not contradicting my points, nor have I.

I'm not demeaning your statements, I was merely saying that there are advantages to using accuracy to ones advantage while making oneself less of a target.
 
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