High End Revolver suggestions?

Sounds good! Let us know how it shoots. I expect at that price it will come with a shot target. Personally, I would expect it to hold an 1" at 100 just like a 252!(I think that article was in American Rifleman)

It would be interesting to see pictures of the el Godfather collection.
The bc1023 Collection On Rug is substantial, but does not include the automatic weapons referred to by el G.

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I don't think the Janz is just a large Korth, its multi-caliber construction is a whole new game. You don't even have to go to the shooting range, you can play with it swapping barrels and cylinders at home.

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There are some differences, but its based on the Korth internally and externally.

The difference between a S&W and a Korth is like the difference between a Ruger and a Freedom Arms. You don't have to be able to afford one (usually a matter of choice) to be able to appreciate one. I've been a Chevy man all my life but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate a hand-built Aston-Martin or Ferrari. Korth's are entirely hand built and the action runs on bearings. Think about the lockwork of a fine Swiss watch. I don't find them to be very attractive and if spending that much on one firearm, Korth would not be high on my list but I can appreciate the quality and work that goes into them. Same for Freedom Arms. For the money, I'd rather have a custom Ruger.

I also love the Manurhin MR73. I like it better than my Korth, in fact. Its probably not quite as "fine" as the Korth, but something about them really appeals to me.

I also love the older Colt Pythons from the 50's and 60's.

I have a number of guns but most are ordinary. I am in the market when I find more money to add to my Freedom Arms. I have an old Freedom Arms 7 1/2" and would like to get a 4 3/4" or 6" in 454 with the 45 cylinder. Not a Korth but well made.

4 grand would probably buy a guy a NIB Python Elite.

Those are lovely, and I'm certain they are fantastic. Alas, much like high end wines, my palate is just not sophisticated enough to fully appreciate them personally.

Please understand I am not besmirching anyone's enjoyment. I am sure they are marvels of engineering and craftsmanship. They would just be wasted on me.

As luck would have it, I don't have that kinda coin laying around anyway. Everybody wins!

For $4K, I'd get the best NIB old Colt Python.

I have a 4" stainless Python Elite. It's a beautiful gun, but they are nowhere near as nice or as smooth as the older Pythons from the 50's and 60's.

It's not even close. The craftsmanship just isn't there, unfortunately.

They do look nice though.

How's about a Mateba Autorevolver? Saw one on Gunbroker recently. It was one of the oddest revolvers that I have ever seen.

Python and 20K rounds of ammo.

"..what can you possibl(y) do to it to make it more accurate, especially if it adds twice the price to the final product. There is a point where you just can't make any gun more accurate than it is...'

Perfect molecular alignment, my friend. Tolerances to within 0.00000000000001"
I can pretty much do it with a set of files.

All cash orders accepted.

Every time I see a thread like this I wonder, how much better can a revolver be than another revolver?

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They aren't demonstrably better. That's not the point. But they are made more expensively and with greater craftsmanship; all parts shaped by hand, masterfully fitted, and painstakingly polished into an item fit for any display or collection imaginable. After a certain point (I would personally argue 6,000$) the artistic and crafting aspects of the piece begin to dominate the gun's justification, rather than its functionality.

The other thing to remember is that high end guns have much more exacting quality control, and given the diminishing returns of improving that score beyond the competition, the number of rejected/reworked guns rises exponentially and likewise raises the sale price of the approved products.

Lolz at the price parity of Pythons and Korths these days --not even remotely comparable, but rarity makes people pay funny prices

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jstein650 & barnbwt, you both quoted me but you missed what I was really asking. In those quotes that were taken out of context I was not asking how much better a very high end revolver could be compared to a $99 piece of junk, I said once you have a revolver that's extremely accurate like a Freedom Arms revolver how much more accurate can you make a revolver especially for double the price. I still stand by that question and would love an answer. I think we can all agree a Freedom Arms revolver is extremely accurate, no? (at least the ones I've shot were)

ArchAngel -
I was making a (lame) attempt at some humor. But it's not really that I missed your point. Obviously, a cheap gun, made to poor tolerances, with poor timing, etc. will not shoot well. I agree, that Freedom Arms comes pretty close to what I consider the upper end of precision that we can get from modern tooling and all. Although I was joking, I have wondered what could be accomplished if we could get down to the molecular level when it comes to metal working and finishing. Of course, it's one of those exercises in thought that is beyond any kind of realistic possibility. That being said, I think that more money does not buy more product, necessarily. If a product does not sell, there will be no product produced, and we are limited to the materials and tools that we have. When it comes to a precision built revolver, I think FA is right up there, and they cost less than a Korth. So much so that they are often a bit finicky when it comes to function - which relate more to the limitations of the entire concept and mechanics of a revolver than the quality of build.

"Assuming a DA large bore I would contact Jim Stroh and tell him to take your supplied under-bore N-Frame and make it the larger bore you desire. He will, with proper instruction and $$$, deliver you perfection. Trust me on this."

+1

My Stroh built Smith 45 Colt is all that a FA/Korth could be.

Even Bowen admits that you can't rebuild a Ruger to the point that it competes with a Freedom Arms that is built right from the start. You can hand fit a custom, linebored cylinder and premium barrel but you can't make up for the loose tolerances on the inside.

My Stroh built Smith 45 Colt is all that a FA/Korth could be.

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What are you basing this on? Have you compared them?

jstein650 & barnbwt, you both quoted me but you missed what I was really asking. In those quotes that were taken out of context I was not asking how much better a very high end revolver could be compared to a $99 piece of junk, I said once you have a revolver that's extremely accurate like a Freedom Arms revolver how much more accurate can you make a revolver especially for double the price. I still stand by that question and would love an answer. I think we can all agree a Freedom Arms revolver is extremely accurate, no? (at least the ones I've shot were)

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Freedom Arms makes outstanding revolvers. Tolerances are very tight, much like a Korth. A Korth has a more complex design and is smoother, but the Freedom Arms is a world class revolver in every way.

Its an apples to oranges comparison anyway, since one is SA and the other DA. When it comes to single action revolvers, Freedom Arms is the best there is.

I'm guessing a person who buys one of these uber-expensive wheelguns is going to admire it more than shoot it. I'm also pretty sure a Korth doesn't shoot ten times better than a comparable (in size and chambering terms) factory-spec Ruger in the same hands.

Go ahead and spend whatever you wish on a revolver, of course. Several people will thank you for their jobs.

"jstein650 & barnbwt, you both quoted me but you missed what I was really asking. In those quotes that were taken out of context I was not asking how much better a very high end revolver could be compared to a $99 piece of junk, I said once you have a revolver that's extremely accurate like a Freedom Arms revolver how much more accurate can you make a revolver especially for double the price. I still stand by that question and would love an answer. I think we can all agree a Freedom Arms revolver is extremely accurate, no? (at least the ones I've shot were)" (emphasis mine)

"They aren't demonstrably better. That's not the point." --And that was my point. Also, past a certain point, accuracy of manufacture won't even buy you anything performance wise. Holding another micron of tolerance over doesn't change anything but cost and bragging rights . It seems unrelated, but read up on the construction/architecture details of the Parthenon and you'll see what I mean--the absolute greatest perfection mankind was capable of at the time, built for no reason other than the desire of the Greeks to see what they were capable of



It's not about the accuracy or tolerances (though they are most certainly there). It's about the ultimate craftsmanship and artistry mankind is capable of making. It matters a great deal to those who appreciate the work that goes into these revolves (or wish to impress those who do )

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