High End Revolver suggestions?

[CraigC]

I'm guessing a person who buys one of these uber-expensive wheelguns is going to admire it more than shoot it.

Why would they do that? I sure as hell wouldn't. I shoot my most expensive guns the most, they cost too much NOT to.

I'm also pretty sure a Korth doesn't shoot ten times better than a comparable (in size and chambering terms) factory-spec Ruger in the same hands.

No, diminishing returns certainly applies. However, accuracy is not the be-all, end-all of any firearm, expensive or not.


I'm still trying to figure out why so many people cannot appreciate something they cannot afford. But must look down their noses instead.

 

[beatledog7]

I'm not looking down my nose, just expressing a different perspective.

 

[bc1023]

I guess you'll help all those people trying to decide between a Korth and a Ruger.

Ultra high end guns, such as Korth and the like, are not for everybody. However, its not all about accuracy. These guns are a work of art. I have a couple Korths and have no regrets in buying them. They are worth every penny to me.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

"jstein650 & barnbwt, you both quoted me but you missed what I was really asking. In those quotes that were taken out of context I was not asking how much better a very high end revolver could be compared to a $99 piece of junk, I said once you have a revolver that's extremely accurate like a Freedom Arms revolver how much more accurate can you make a revolver especially for double the price. I still stand by that question and would love an answer. I think we can all agree a Freedom Arms revolver is extremely accurate, no? (at least the ones I've shot were)" (emphasis mine)

"They aren't demonstrably better. That's not the point." --And that was my point. Also, past a certain point, accuracy of manufacture won't even buy you anything performance wise. Holding another micron of tolerance over doesn't change anything but cost and bragging rights . It seems unrelated, but read up on the construction/architecture details of the Parthenon and you'll see what I mean--the absolute greatest perfection mankind was capable of at the time, built for no reason other than the desire of the Greeks to see what they were capable of



It's not about the accuracy or tolerances (though they are most certainly there). It's about the ultimate craftsmanship and artistry mankind is capable of making. It matters a great deal to those who appreciate the work that goes into these revolves (or wish to impress those who do )

TCB

That is a very beautiful revolver, one I would be hard presses to shoot. But since I probably wouldn't want to shoot it I wouldn't buy it either because anything I buy gets shot! lol

 

[leadcounsel]

I would just buy 10 Rugers, 5 Smiths, & 5 colts

or

Python and 20,000 rounds of ammo

I tend to agree.

I'm a function over art kinda guy normally. Philosophical utility and all that.

I can't weigh in on what revolvers are 'best' or 'recommended' over a grand, let alone 4 grand, because I have never contemplated spending 10-20 times more then necessary on any item.

I'll reserve my opinion of people who do spend money this way. I've known people like this. I've had clients like this. Heck it's your money. But I can still have an opinion, as a hard working modestly paid person, I can see a lot more utility in the use of money...

Perhaps a Ruger/Smith/Colt and a $19,000 donation to the National Rifle Association... or the Wounded Warrior Project, and buy some track chairs for disabled veterans who help preserve your 2nd Amendment right... put that money to real use.

But I feel the same way about most "pretty" and relatively useless items, like diamonds, jewelry, pointless art like splashes of paint on a piece of paper, etc. These are all IMO the big 'con' on society to separate people from money... I guess that makes me crotchety!

That said, I have a nice gun collection but they are all common and functional, and none worth more than a few weeks pay. I find the 'beauty' in value, utility, ruggedness, and little known or unwanted treasures. Discovering the unloved Ruger Security Six on the dealer table or in the classified adds for a measly $350, or finding the name and information of the Soldier that carried the K31, or researching the production date of a Garand for instance... knowing the guns I have are rugged, battle tested, and reliable and accurate for thousands of rounds is important to me.

To each their own, but having some overpaid 'artist' or gunsmith hand fit a cylinder to a frame and then cut some swirls along the barrel and charge 20 times the fair market value for a revolver simply doesn't do it of me.

Seeing that earlier posted revolver sell for a few hundred thousand bucks, just makes me shake my head in amazement at the absurdity of people...

 

[tarosean]

That said, I have a nice gun collection but they are all common and functional, and none worth more than a few weeks pay.
Seeing that earlier posted revolver sell for a few hundred thousand bucks, just makes me shake my head in amazement at the absurdity of people...

Im guessing its because you looking at it from a working mans perspective..(???)
If your "few weeks pay" was another mans income in seconds, minutes, hours, etc. that mans perspective is a little different.

To some people dropping 700k on a gun is the equivalent to some spending 500 on a Glock. Even that Glock is out of financial reach for some others.

 

[barnbwt]

Lead counsel, you do know that K31 is in reality a ~5000$ rifle, right? It's just been paid for already by the Swiss, is all . There is a benefit in paying more sometimes . And rich people rarely spend their money unwisely (or they wouldn't stay rich for long)

TCB

 

[CraigC]

Perhaps a Ruger/Smith/Colt and a $19,000 donation to the National Rifle Association... or the Wounded Warrior Project, and buy some track chairs for disabled veterans who help preserve your 2nd Amendment right... put that money to real use.

What you don't realize is that you are being far more presumptuous than those you resent.

Some folks seem to have an odd perception of those who make more money than they do. They see 'some' people spend money like it means nothing to them and assume that everyone with a six or seven figure income is like that. I can assure you, they are not. Believe it or not, not everybody that buys something YOU can't afford does so to show off. I despise a braggart and that is not my intent but as someone whose income has increased exponentially over what it was 8yrs ago, I may be able to offer a unique perspective. My money is no more or less green than anyone else's. I can tell you that the more money you make, the harder you have to work for it. Then the government adds insult to injury and takes a higher percentage of it. I can tell you that if I had any aspiration to donate $19,000 to the NRA, that urge quickly goes away when I write that check to the US Treasury every April. I suppose that's a real easy dream to have when it ain't your money. I've always enjoyed the finer things in life but have had few opportunities to. Now that I'm finally able to afford some of those things, I'll be damned if I just turn around and give it away now. I have no interest in a Korth but I have started looking at engraved Colt's. It used to be something completely out of reach but your perspective changes when dreams become possible. If I want to spend $4000-$5000 on an old Colt or a custom Ruger Bisley .500 with engraving and ivory stocks, that's my business and mine alone. I earned my money the old fashioned way and I'll enjoy it the way I see fit. No, money will never make you happy. That is something that can only come from within. Being able to have and do things you previously thought impossible certainly widens your grin. Paying off all your debt and not having to worry about being able to pay the electric bill helps too.

Most of our charity goes to my wife's family. With two in wheelchairs, her father in the nursing home and her autistic brother fully dependent on her mother, they get all the help we can give.

I would never presume to tell anyone else how to spend their money.

But I feel the same way about most "pretty" and relatively useless items, like diamonds, jewelry, pointless art like splashes of paint on a piece of paper, etc. These are all IMO the big 'con' on society to separate people from money...

My wife would probably disagree with you. She gets as much enjoyment out of anything sparkly as I get out of my guns. Crotchety? Perhaps. Cynical? Most definitely.

 

[el Godfather]

Luckily I have Python, King Cobra, Anaconda, SW, Ruger etc. so for me accumulating same stuff in large quantities is not a desirable way to go about collection.

Yes may be a SA Colt down the road and a Freedom Arms in 454. But for now my $$$ are going for something not found in stores.


BTW advance Happy Birthday to CraigC

 

[bergmen]

jstein650 & barnbwt, you both quoted me but you missed what I was really asking. In those quotes that were taken out of context I was not asking how much better a very high end revolver could be compared to a $99 piece of junk, I said once you have a revolver that's extremely accurate like a Freedom Arms revolver how much more accurate can you make a revolver especially for double the price. I still stand by that question and would love an answer. I think we can all agree a Freedom Arms revolver is extremely accurate, no? (at least the ones I've shot were)

Well, my one and only splurge to get a fine revolver that would normally be out of my price range was to order a Freedom Arms Model 83 in .454 Casull. I had wanted one of these since I first heard of them and followed their rise to prominence over the decades. An opportunity opened up when I had the means and I placed the order.

Here is the accuracy card that accompanied the revolver when I picked it up:



That is rather stunning accuracy in my book and shows results I can aspire to but probably never meet. I'm okay with this (as well as the fantastic revolver):



Dan

 

[Cosmoline]

You don't have to be able to afford one (usually a matter of choice) to be able to appreciate one.

I think you do need to at least know how it handles and shoots either from personal experience or from seeing other people shooting theirs at the range. So for a FA I've handled them and seen them shot, and I'm satisfied they're very well made. Ditto for Colt Pythons though I've never owned one. These weapons have established track records. As do custom jobs by well-known smiths. But the Korth remains something I've only read about on line or heard referenced third hand. Nobody seems to sell them, have them or shoot them in my circles. So for me they don't have a reputation, they have a rumor of a reputation. And knowing what I know about German engineering, most everything made there is extra $$$$ for us here. So on balance I could never recommend someone getting a Korth when they could have a nice vintage Python and ammo for less. However good the Korth guys are, I cannot imagine they're better than the Colt guys were back in their prime.

 

[bragmardo]

I think you do need to at least know how it handles and shoots either from personal experience or from seeing other people shooting theirs at the range. So for a FA I've handled them and seen them shot, and I'm satisfied they're very well made. Ditto for Colt Pythons though I've never owned one. These weapons have established track records. As do custom jobs by well-known smiths. But the Korth remains something I've only read about on line or heard referenced third hand. Nobody seems to sell them, have them or shoot them in my circles. So for me they don't have a reputation, they have a rumor of a reputation. And knowing what I know about German engineering, most everything made there is extra $$$$ for us here. So on balance I could never recommend someone getting a Korth when they could have a nice vintage Python and ammo for less. However good the Korth guys are, I cannot imagine they're better than the Colt guys were back in their prime.

I have many Korth revolvers. I also have S&W Registered Magnums, a Target Triple Lock, First Generation Colt SAAs, and just about every vintage of Pythons. Yes, the Korth is made of far better steel and fitted with far greater precision than Colt was back in its prime. Consider acquiring personal experience before sharing the products of your unbridled imagination.

 

[Boxhead]

I am talking a Smith N-frame as I have zero use for a Ruger DA large bore no matter who touched it. Just not interested. My full blown custom N-frame 45 Colt from Stroh is perfection in every which way. Same for my 5" N-frame 44 Mag that Alan Hrton built. Tight inside as well as out and locks up no different than a FA. Only writing from my bit of custom revolver experience though. Stroh and Harton know how to weld, finely, let alone machine and will make anything sloppy as tight as one desires.

 

[gunownerz]

Is $747,500.00 north enough??

https://jamesdjulia.com/auctions/div_catalog_264_sh.asp

http://www.militarytrader.com/milita...747500_dollars

Supply and Demand my friend.

(On a side note, wow that's a lot of money.)

 

[CraigC]

BTW advance Happy Birthday to CraigC

Thank you!

 

[barnbwt]

"But the Korth remains something I've only read about on line or heard referenced third hand. Nobody seems to sell them, have them or shoot them in my circles"
I think the Korth company has only made several thousand revolvers over the years--not a very large volume operation, and geared to more of an international market (*cough* Saudi princes *cough* ). I've never seen a Blaser in person either, and for the same reason, but there's a crapton of them for sale on Gunbroker all the time*

TCB

*My favorite Blasers are the $20,000 ones with masterful, wonderous engraving...of tacky junk like Mammoths and Egyptian Sphinxes, carved so deep that I would question the structural integrity of the action . People commission the funniest things, sometime. If I strike it big, I'll force some world famous engraver to emblazon wonderfully rendered scenes from my favorite Calvin and Hobbes strips on a Purdy O/U

TCB

 

[45 Dragoon]

^^^^^^^^^^^Well said CraigC, my sentiments exactly !!!


45 Dragoon



and HAPPY BIRTHDAY ( I just found out . . . . . .?)

 

[45 Dragoon]

Cosmoline, I'm sorry you don't like German engineering. They make some of the finest driving machines in the world !! A lot of them are made right here in the USA . . . . . by Americans. Except for "Old Blue" (my 1969 long bed Chev. Pick um up) I sold 3 yrs ago, I've driven nothing but BMW's for the last 15 yrs. You need for stretch your boundaries and experience things . . . No, I'm not one of "those " people. I too like fine things as do others, so I recommend BMW's every chance I get.

I hope I can recommend a Rolls one of these days !!!

 

[Black Butte]

While I don't have either, I'd rather have a fancy heirloom-quality revolver or shotgun over an expensive overly pretentious watch.

 

[45 Dragoon]

Good thinkin Black Butte, That'll give ya somthin to protect your pretentious watch with . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . when ya get one !!

45 Dragoon

 

[Jaymo]

I've just never liked the Korth.
To me, they've never been particularly attractive.
Besides, I'm a Colt fan.

Now, it's time to shock CraigC. Or, he'll be proud of me.
I'd buy a really nice Smith & Wesson 586 and a boatload of ammo.
There, I said it.
I really like the trigger pull of an L frame.

I, for one, would buy a high end watch before I'd buy a Korth.
But, that's me. I'm a watch fan.

And, you know what the difference is between a BMW and a Porcupine, don't you? (it's a joke, BTW)

 

[Black Butte]

Well if James Bond has the coveted BMW and the flashy Omega watch, maybe he should be carrying a Korth instead of a Walther in his next film.

 

[Jaymo]

That would actually be cool, if he did.
It wouldn't be the first time James Bond utilized a revolver.

 

[bluetopper]

I don't think any handgun (that I know anything about) ever sold as high as the Colt model 1873 Single-Action Army serial number 1.

 

[Black Butte]

Yup, Roger Moore as James Bond used the "Dirty Harry" S&W Model 29 in Live and Let Die. It was also fun seeing Jane Seymour as a young Bond girl.