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I got to thinking. Is it just me or has the market actually been flooded in the past 5-10 years with a gazillion competing 1911's, AR's, Glocks, compact carry, low cost entry level bolt action rifles etc. that there's actually too many guns out there?
With the huge numbers of guns and always the latest new things coming out, will many become "old hat" models to be left sitting in collections and gun shop shelves with no interest.
I wonder if prices on what is "hot" today will be common and much cheaper if this trend continues. Years ago, there were far less new models coming out.
I think the classics will always hold value, such as old Marlins and Winchesters, old Colts and S&W's but it seems there's just a hoola hoop craze going on to me anyway.
 
sigsmoker said:
I got to thinking. Is it just me or has the market actually been flooded in the past 5-10 years with a gazillion competing 1911's, AR's, Glocks, compact carry, low cost entry level bolt action rifles etc. that there's actually too many guns out there?
With the huge numbers of guns and always the latest new things coming out, will many become "old hat" models to be left sitting in collections and gun shop shelves with no interest.
I wonder if prices on what is "hot" today will be common and much cheaper if this trend continues. Years ago, there were far less new models coming out.
I think the classics will always hold value, such as old Marlins and Winchesters, old Colts and S&W's but it seems there's just a hoola hoop craze going on to me anyway.
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Interesting question. Markets are almost always dominated by the rules of supply and demand. If no one wants the gun being sold, It'll go cheap. The market is saturated with a lot of different kinds of guns right now, but as I see it, there's a lot of new shooters out there too. There's a whole generation of doomsday preppers, soccer moms, concealed carry enthusiasts, and zombie slayers out there buying guns when it used to be cops, and us gun nuts :). I think the market is evolving correctly for what the NEW customer wants. But we'll still be there to snag up the classics :) Hopefully at a nice dirt cheap price.
 
Seems that way for most everything to me. When a one hour TV show has 42 minutes of actual plot and 18 minutes of ads and such, you got to believe it's happening with everything.

New and improved.
 
It's simple. The market demands it. Elect conservatives and the market will slow. Elect non-conservatives and the market will grow. Subjugation advocates always cause a rise in the arms market. Freedom advocates level things off. That said, I'm not advocating we elect more subjugation advocates to accelerate the arms market. I want freedom, and the accelerated arms purchases speaks louder than any words could.

Woody
 
Agreed, that's why soon you'll see a crash in gun prices. During months and months Remington R1 1911s were going for $479 at CDNN and Grabagun.
S&W 38sp revolvers in very good to excellent shape are going for $400 in South Florida.
Not to mention that guns will last you 100 years if U take care of them. And with the high cost of ammo these days, very few guns are going to get "worn out"
 
"So many guns in this world"


So little space to store them. I need another safe or two or three.
 
I believe that the new shooters that came about Obummer and the antis are NOT true gun enthusiasts and therefore only own 1 or 2 guns just because they think that the govt. are going to ban them. If congress (House and senate) stay republican regardless if HRC in the White House, you will see a crash in gun prices.
If republicans win all 3 next year (which I doubt) U will witness the best gun buyers market ever in the history of the USA.
 
I don't know, ever since Obozo's re-election people have just been buying AR's like crazy before he tries to make them illegal.
 
I think the Internet has a lot to do with it too. Use to be you waited to see what was new by way of a gun magazine and that was typically news that was already behind a couple of months. There were no chat rooms or forums where you could talk about guns, no online companies where you could shop for anything and everything gun related, and no online gun auctions for that rare, hard to find item. I think having the Internet has greatly expanded not only our collective knowledge about guns (the who, what, where, and how they are made), but has also widely
increased their availability to gun enthusiasts and opened up new markets with greater selection in their offerings.
 
I certainly find it a bit overwhelming.

It's not a bad thing but an interesting state to note.

I recall a recent time when the big magazines scrambled to find truly new or innovative offerings and spent much if not most of their coverage on custom interpretations of the standards.

Remember 59s and 39s being ground breaking? The curious and suspicious views of Dan Wessons? Abject mistrust of anything non-steel including aluminum?

Now it seems like "new" or innovative, groundbreaking or "breaks all the rules" is the goal itself rather than the effectiveness of the above attributes.

I blame Glock and Glock fanbois!:evil:

There are times though, as alluded to in the OP, that I marvel at the market's ability to continually absorb the volume of production and the breadth of designs and configurations.

This, even as the old guard falters and fails; Marlin, Winchester, Remington and the like.

Certainly are interesting times for a firearms enthusiast in America... well, most of America.

Now, if we could only have an ammunition price/production volume correction.

Todd.
 
Think of it this way:
While there are more guns than ever in the market, there are also more people. The guns per person are growing at a slower rated than the overall number.

The majority of gun owners have a single firearm, most of those being a handgun or shotgun for home defense. Hunters own more, usually a .22 rimfire, shotgun and a single centerfire. My Paternal Grandfather hunted all over the U.S. and Canada with a battery of four guns. My Maternal Grandfather says anything other than a 12 gauge is a waste of money since one gun can do it all.

Those of us here on THR are the exception. Collections in the dozens or scores are looked at by us as accomplishments, but the the other 99.99% of the world population, we're crazy and are either simply wasting money or at worst need to be regulated into submission.
 
1911 guy said:
Think of it this way:
While there are more guns than ever in the market, there are also more people. The guns per person are growing at a slower rated than the overall number.

The majority of gun owners have a single firearm, most of those being a handgun or shotgun for home defense. Hunters own more, usually a .22 rimfire, shotgun and a single centerfire. My Paternal Grandfather hunted all over the U.S. and Canada with a battery of four guns. My Maternal Grandfather says anything other than a 12 gauge is a waste of money since one gun can do it all.

Those of us here on THR are the exception. Collections in the dozens or scores are looked at by us as accomplishments, but the the other 99.99% of the world population, we're crazy and are either simply wasting money or at worst need to be regulated into submission.
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Crazy as a fox!

Sign me up.
 
I don't foresee myself ever being regulated into submission, but I don't think that I will ever have all the guns that I want either. I love it that there are many more choices/opportunities in the market now. I think it is a sign of growth in our sports and is a good thing!

So Many Guns! So Little Time!
 
1911 guy said:
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Those of us here on THR are the exception. Collections in the dozens or scores are looked at by us as accomplishments, but the the other 99.99% of the world population, we're crazy and are either simply wasting money or at worst need to be regulated into submission.
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Eh ... I don't believe an armed population can be regulated into submission without some kind of a fight.... At least that's the way it should be.

Woody
 
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Eh ... I don't believe an armed population can be regulated into submission without some kind of a fight.... At least that's the way it should be.

Tell that to England, Australia, Poland, North Korea, South Korea, China, Germany, Kenya, Brazil, Mexico, India, Vietnam, Cyprus, Romania...

You get the picture. Gun owners are a small minority, even here in the U.S. Being a minority, we can be and will be thrown under the bus when it becomes politically expedient.

The list I made is most definitely NOT comprehensive.
 
sigsmoker said:
I got to thinking. Is it just me or has the market actually been flooded in the past 5-10 years with a gazillion competing 1911's, AR's, Glocks, compact carry, low cost entry level bolt action rifles etc. that there's actually too many guns out there?
With the huge numbers of guns and always the latest new things coming out, will many become "old hat" models to be left sitting in collections and gun shop shelves with no interest.
I wonder if prices on what is "hot" today will be common and much cheaper if this trend continues. Years ago, there were far less new models coming out.
I think the classics will always hold value, such as old Marlins and Winchesters, old Colts and S&W's but it seems there's just a hoola hoop craze going on to me anyway.
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During the 90s when my wife and I owned a gun shop I had my standing gun of the month joke. It seemed every month every gun rag was hyping a new gun, many of which had not even been released yet. Heck, I think Beretta sold a few million Bobcats long before the gun was ever released. Every month we had a collection of customers who had to be first inline (like an i Phone) to buy a new model as soon as it was available.

What I found amusing was a new gun could be a piece of crap and yet the gun rags always reviewed the gun as some sort of holy grail. Think about it, if S&W is spending tens or thousands of dollars advertising in your rag would you give one of their guns a bad review?

The AR guns are another story. Years ago we had Colt, Bushmaster and a few others manufacturing the AR. Then came Clinton's foolish so called AWB (Assault Weapon Ban) which had its 10 years of glory. Today I haven't a clue how many companies manufacture the AR but I figure anyone who could rent, beg, borrow or steal a CNC machine is turning out AR lowers or complete rifles. There has got to be a saturation point somewhere in all of this? :)

Before 1968 lord knows how many millions upon millions of guns were manufactured and sold. Most, assuming good care and storage are likely still out there "somewhere". :)

This does not even begin to figure the high volume of military foreign surplus which poured in before some maggots ebbed the flow. Millions of SKS and AK guns just from China alone not counting their new production stuff.

Yep, one hell of a pile of guns out there. :)

Ron
 
Reloadron said:
During the 90s when my wife and I owned a gun shop I had my standing gun of the month joke. It seemed every month every gun rag was hyping a new gun, many of which had not even been released yet. Heck, I think Beretta sold a few million Bobcats long before the gun was ever released. Every month we had a collection of customers who had to be first inline (like an i Phone) to buy a new model as soon as it was available.

What I found amusing was a new gun could be a piece of crap and yet the gun rags always reviewed the gun as some sort of holy grail. Think about it, if S&W is spending tens or thousands of dollars advertising in your rag would you give one of their guns a bad review?

The AR guns are another story. Years ago we had Colt, Bushmaster and a few others manufacturing the AR. Then came Clinton's foolish so called AWB (Assault Weapon Ban) which had its 10 years of glory. Today I haven't a clue how many companies manufacture the AR but I figure anyone who could rent, beg, borrow or steal a CNC machine is turning out AR lowers or complete rifles. There has got to be a saturation point somewhere in all of this? :)

Before 1968 lord knows how many millions upon millions of guns were manufactured and sold. Most, assuming good care and storage are likely still out there "somewhere". :)

This does not even begin to figure the high volume of military foreign surplus which poured in before some maggots ebbed the flow. Millions of SKS and AK guns just from China alone not counting their new production stuff.

Yep, one hell of a pile of guns out there. :)

Ron
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This makes me so happy :) All those guns...
 
Not enough guns left around at prices that are reasonable though, at least some that I want. Just looked at gunbroker for Colt King Cobra and Anaconda $2000.00 and over. Or even a nice genuine M1 carbine well over $1000.00

Ar-15 , Glock...I like em but they are just everywhere. Meh.

What we need is more stashes of surplus arms going back on the market. Damn I should have got a CMP carbine or 2 a few years ago:uhoh:
 
1911 guy said:
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Eh ... I don't believe an armed population can be regulated into submission without some kind of a fight.... At least that's the way it should be.

Tell that to England, Australia, Poland, North Korea, South Korea, China, Germany, Kenya, Brazil, Mexico, India, Vietnam, Cyprus, Romania...

You get the picture. Gun owners are a small minority, even here in the U.S. Being a minority, we can be and will be thrown under the bus when it becomes politically expedient.

The list I made is most definitely NOT comprehensive.
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... New York, California, New Jersey....

Todd.
 
lionking said:
Not enough guns left around at prices that are reasonable though, at least some that I want. Just looked at gunbroker for Colt King Cobra and Anaconda $2000.00 and over. Or even a nice genuine M1 carbine well over $1000.00

Ar-15 , Glock...I like em but they are just everywhere. Meh.

What we need is more stashes of surplus arms going back on the market. Damn I should have got a CMP carbine or 2 a few years ago:uhoh:
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Just about all of the older Colt "snake" guns have increased considerably. Colt Pythons are selling well above $2,000. Even many of the early S&W revolvers are commanding high prices and be it a Colt or S&W people are paying the high prices.

My neighbors and friends know I enjoy guns so every now and then a sweet deal comes along like someone passes away and a family is selling off some guns. That is what I patiently look and wait for.

Ron
 
Maybe it's just me getting older, but I have all of the guns I want. There are 60 in the gun room and I'm thinking of downsizing.

The manufacturers haven't come up with anything that I don't already have one that does the same thing to my satisfaction.

The last gun I bought was in 2005 when I bought one of the first Kimber Warriors off the line to use as a duty weapon.

I guess if there is any gun I want it's a 7.62x51 AR pattern rifle. I sold my pre-ban FAL (Springfield Armory SAR-48) back in December with that in mind but I haven't bought one yet.
 
Interesting initial post. Couple of things:
After the run-up in prices and the limited availability a few years back, the market for basic guns and ammo has really fallen. So the supply demand thing for high-volume firearms and supplies has really taken place. Manufacturers overbuilt and consumers slowed down and now there are plenty of $500 AR's out there with no change in sight - other than another horrible event in our society.
But it's also a lot easier for a manufacturer to design and build a consumer-class gun. CAD designs directly connected to multi-axis/multi-tool mills and new models can be prototyped, tested and manufactured at low cost and high volume with rapid turnaround time. This also explains why AR's are so inexpensive. They are a standard so parts can be generated independently of one another and assembled out of the lowest cost providers inventories.
Finally, wishing that there will be low-priced Colt's Cobra's and Anaconda's or $39 Mosin's is just not happening. Not because it isn't a buyers market right now, but the supplies of old surplus is finally shrinking to a point that impacts the market and some guns have gone from 'excellent shooters' to 'collectibles'. If you haven't purchased something that you consider a classic by now, tomorrow is likely the lowest cost they will ever be.
B
 
I would say there aren't enough guns out there. Firearm designs wax and wane and I would call the period we are in now a wane. Everyone seems to be copying a handful of makers (read as Glock). Not enough makers are exploring a DA/SA striker fired gun (yes it is doable just not common) and SIG is having a half hearted attempt at a modular pistol with the P250 and P320s. Every now and then I draw up a fantasy gun design that would fit me. Blending capacity, caliber, weight and a dozen other factors. Then I look around to see if anyone has built something close to my idea. Usually I don't find anything interesting enough.
 
There won't be a crash in gun prices. At most, they'll stabilize at some sustainable level. Antigunners are a permanent fixture in America. As long as they keep pushing their agenda, regardless of their lack of success, there will be a "fear factor" driving gun sales. These days, a lot of people buy guns not to shoot them, but simply to sock them away.
 
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