Pinellas County, Florida Sheriff Threatens to Shoot Concealed Carriers

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First I don't think you all have a clue as to what the Sheriff is saying. His deputy is responding to a man with a gun call or bank robbery in progress. He shows up on scene and sees an individual with a gun pointed at others, he has to assume the worst that this is one of the "bad guys" until he can get the situation sorted out. Off duty cops in plain clothes are told if they draw their piece to also draw there creds/shield so the uniformed officer can see that he is probably a good guy and listen to his story first.



A lot of folks who have a pistol drawn when accosted will instead of just turning their head, will turn their whole body towards the sound. that is going to get you killed.



Perhaps you all ought to stop and think some of this stuff out before you out and out condemn a public servant:cuss:


It is you who don't understand.

CCW holders are not policemen we don't hold people at gunpoint for the sake of making a job easier.

If my piece comes out the threshold for deadly force has been met and one way or another somebody is getting shot and my piece will either be reholstered or unloaded and placed off my person long before an officers butt clears a vinyl seat of a patrol car.
 
I don't get the brandishing firearm scenario. Concealed carry until deadly force is necessary. Hopefully you are the one standing when the police arrive and are carrying concealed with hands up. Totally compliant with any officer direction.
Situational awareness could have prevented the situation in the first place.
 
As I now approach 71 yrs. I've known a few men who have made their living as a peace officer. Many (not all) seem to follow this regimentation. Rookie- help all, help some, trust other cops, trust only your partner, trust no one- retire.
I've told my son many times over, "You have no way of tell which stage of his career your dealing with. Do your best to follow his requests. There is such a thing as a cop's mentality!"
 
Why yes, I have. Didn't have to shoot a concealed carrier because I was totally unaware of my situation, either.

Thank you for the advice there, Officer Perfect. It's shame that someone might actually think like you do, and innocents will die as a result.
 
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Here is a UTube of a CCW video shooting where the CCW does a perfect job of handing the situation for the arrival of the police. Remember that whatever you know; the responding officer only knows he is walking into a shooting situation.

It's our job to help him come to the proper conclusions at first contact and not make his job harder. Which would makes the situation harder on us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr0X_gMri8k

As a Ret. 27 year police officer I can say I never had a problem with a CW license holder. That is different that saying I trust everyone holding a gun when I arrive at a shooting.
 
Not all is lost in Florida though:
The St Pete Trib on 12/11 had as their headline:

"Sheriiffs: Arm Yourselves"

Several sheriffs are ENCOURAGING citizens to arm themselves and be prepared to take action
Wayne Ivey of Brevard County
Grady Judd of Polk County
Chris Blair of Marion County
David Gee of Hillsborough County
Chris Nocco of Pasco County

The Pinellas County sheriff in question says he has no issue with concealed carry; it is the open carry he has an issue with.
 
That Sheriff needs to be called in by the County DA and informed that under the Law he has opened his County and Dept to law suits and have the State Police there to arrest the High Sheriff on Terrostic Threat Charges and disorderly conduct.
 
There's someone who shouldn't be in uniform, with a badge .....
There's someone who shouldn't be in the gene pool.

But it's a good thing he said this -- now he's on record and if a citizen with a CHP is killed by police, that can be used against him in court.
 
I have had some very nice times in Pinellas County. Great food and beaches. Never goin back again......
 
Unlike everywhere else in Florida... Dade county (now Miami-Dade now, I believe...) hasn't had an elected sheriff in years and years (long before I was hired with the small city I started work for the last week of 1973...). With an appointed public safety director (if that's still the title) whoever holds the position isn't likely to ever make silly comments while preening for the press photos.... Dade county actually had 27 different police departments when I started - lord only knows how many there are now... They range from tiny all the way up to Metro-Dade (our equivalent of a sheriff's outfit) with around 2500 sworn. Jurisdictions down here are a puzzle on a good day....

That said we've had our own troubles over the years... When I was in policing, 1973 - 1995, concealed carry (and the whole armed citizen movement) was still a dream. It was actually unusual to encounter a licensed individual on the street (that never slowed down everyone else though...).
 
First I don't think you all have a clue as to what the Sheriff is saying. His deputy is responding to a man with a gun call or bank robbery in progress. He shows up on scene and sees an individual with a gun pointed at others, he has to assume the worst that this is one of the "bad guys" until he can get the situation sorted out. Off duty cops in plain clothes are told if they draw their piece to also draw there creds/shield so the uniformed officer can see that he is probably a good guy and listen to his story first.

A lot of folks who have a pistol drawn when accosted will instead of just turning their head, will turn their whole body towards the sound. that is going to get you killed.

Perhaps you all ought to stop and think some of this stuff out before you out and out condemn a public servant:cuss:
The simple fact of being armed is not blanket permission for any LEO to put a few into your chest...period.
 
Why would you be standing there holding a gun at the innocent? If you need to draw and fire, putting rounds into the perps, the cops will arrive and see them on the ground and the building nearly empty.

As a CCW, former MP, I'm not hanging around for the cops to come in blasting anyone with a gun raised. Right back into the carry holster as I exit the scene along with the last few who didn't already get out.

The Sherriff is Monkey Dancing - expressing verbal comments to maintain his impression he should be the Alpha male and dominate the social ranking. HE WON'T EVEN BE ON THE SCENE for at least a half hour after it's all over. He's not going to put anyone down or even have his service weapon drawn - that will be a much lower ranking cop on patrol with backup and a good ten minutes after the gunshots are done. It's purely political posturing on the his part to impress the pro-gun lobby that he thinks he's in charge of every crime scene. Regardless that it will happen while he's standing at the coffee machine enjoying his afternoon Crispy Crème. ;)

As for the Hero who actually draws to defend himself - only if your exit was blocked by the gunman directing his weapon at you. Your primary tactic should be just the same as anyone else there - make distance, get behind cover, plan retrograde movements, get the out of there. Going toe to toe with a nervous gunman strung out on adrenaline, withdrawal, or whatever drug of choice they took to get up to do the crime is dealing with an irrational human on the edge. Think about it, veteran husbands, we even tip toe around the wife at certain times. Discretion is the better part of valor.

Nonetheless - if you draw a gun during a bank robbery and elevate the situation to gunfire, then there is a very real risk that a Good Guy WILL get shot. AKA the Walmart Hero, who was gunned down from behind by a second shooter. People armed exchanging gunfire in street clothing cannot and will not know who is a "Good Guy," and the police coming into that firefight won't be any better at it either.

Entirely the point of what the Sherriff was saying - think twice about pulling a gun and going Hero in the situation. You ARE elevating the risk of getting shot, when all you were trying to was bank some cash or get a loan. Whatever you were there for isn't worth dying over, and whoever is robbing the bank isn't likely going to get much in cash - they could be there to establish some gang credibility and your dead body is what they may be needing. Why hand them the decision point?

Tactics state you shouldn't even be trying - deescalate, make distance, get out of range. Look to what the Sherriff was warning you about, even tho it's really meant to thump his chest as the Alpha male. There actually is some tactical lessons to learn from there and his advice isn't off the mark when you think about it.
 
"the Sheriff is monkey dancing".... You have a truly excellent command of the English language.
 
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