Ultra-Orthodox Israeli town promotes more gun ownership among its citizens

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If I was living in a west bank settlement I'd want to be pretty heavily armed too. Might as well walk around with a target on your back.
 
There was also an article in yesterday's Times about a bunch of young men, teenage to mid twenties, portrayed as a bunch of high school dropouts in the western territories who have become vigilanties. They've taken it upon themselves to burn down Arab housing, empty or occupied, among other things.

Wonder if this call to arm is related?

Here's the article: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/w...f-jewish-terror-in-israel.html?ref=world&_r=0
 
According to the article, settler leaders have condemned the violent activity. Which I think anyone with even one gram of gray matter would have to agree with.

I sincerely doubt encouraging citizens to be better able to defend themselves is at all related to the lawless activities of a tiny fringe element.
 
That wave of random and deadly knife attacks has seriously raised tensions to a fever pitch in Israel.

What those folks truly need is tactical defense carbine or shotgun training where they are familiarized with their weapons and put through extensive dry fire exercises.

After that, a fast paced, hands-on, live fire course that covers threat analysis and acquisition, shooting on the move, multiple target engagements and other advanced skills to help push them out of their comfort zone.
 
I wish more Jews here in the states were of the same mindset. My father is very pro-Israel but he abhors firearms. I've tried to have many reasonable discussions with him but he reached a point where he said "You seem to have all the facts, I just go with my emotions. I can't discuss this with you anymore." :banghead: Definitely a big difference between most American and Israeli Jews as it pertains to reality and the ability to adapt...
 
Doc Samson, I wished my father was into guns when I was growing up. He was a Marine but not into firearms. I had to teach myself everything I know. I want to make sure my kids and their spouse's know how to use a bunch of different firearms.

I do see a change in the Jewish populating her in the State (at less in GA) getting more into the ownership of firearms. I have more and more friends that have never fired a gun before asking me to take them to the range.
 
Doc Samson, I wished my father was into guns when I was growing up. He was a Marine but not into firearms. I had to teach myself everything I know. I want to make sure my kids and their spouse's know how to use a bunch of different firearms.

I do see a change in the Jewish populating her in the State (at less in GA) getting more into the ownership of firearms. I have more and more friends that have never fired a gun before asking me to take them to the range.

Very similar! I am self-taught as well (props to this site for providing many hours of instructive reading and debate!) and I've taught my daughters as I have learned. As for changing attitudes, I would be thrilled to see such a change in my area but with only a reform synagogue nearby, I'm pretty much a one man island. :( Keep up the good work with your kids! It will pay off in the years ahead!
 
I wish more Jews here in the states were of the same mindset. My father is very pro-Israel but he abhors firearms. I've tried to have many reasonable discussions with him but he reached a point where he said "You seem to have all the facts, I just go with my emotions. I can't discuss this with you anymore." :banghead: Definitely a big difference between most American and Israeli Jews as it pertains to reality and the ability to adapt...
Ask him to do a thought experiment as to what Kristallnacht would have looked like if the Jewish store owners had been on the roofs of their buildings with long guns like the Koreans during the L.A. riots.
 
Ask him to do a thought experiment as to what Kristallnacht would have looked like if the Jewish store owners had been on the roofs of their buildings with long guns like the Koreans during the L.A. riots.
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward. -- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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Doc Samson:
You might become familiar (if not already) with "Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Organization", JPFO. Hope I have the right acronym.

Maybe the right article can prompt your Dad to allow some rational thinking to have as much validity as emotion.
Tell him that chimpanzees use plenty of emotion (maybe don't tell him).

Does he know about the Jewish girl somewhere in the Ukrainian forest whose rifle somehow kept SS soldiers far enough for her to survive the war?
That's all that I read.
 
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I've brought up numerous examples and he simply cannot acknowledge that there is any need for firearms in a "civilized" community. He has a passive streak a mile wide and, given his age, I don't foresee it changing. Having been raised by such and believing much of the hype in my youth, I have found that liberal progressives prefer the "head in the sand" or the "yell and curse over top of your facts" strategy when confronted with uncomfortable truths. Thankfully, I was cured! :D
 
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I've brought up numerous examples and he simply cannot acknowledge that there is any need for firearms in a "civilized" community.
If there were a community of selected individuals that had an entire desert island to itself and an ironclad way to prevent others from coming in by air or sea, maybe he'd have a case.
 
If there were a community of selected individuals that had an entire desert island to itself and an ironclad way to prevent others from coming in by air or sea, maybe he'd have a case.
Yeah, neither of my parents can comprehend that some people are just plain bad folks who enjoy harming others. I just maintain polite, but superficial, relations.
 
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