Chuck R.
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Same way the HK45 and USPs V3s can, the safety serves two functions; safety AND de-cocker. They're not your ordinary DA/SA.
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Same way the HK45 and USPs V3s can, the safety serves two functions; safety AND de-cocker. They're not your ordinary DA/SA.
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I have small hands, and the XD45 works for me. I got it for a range/home defense gun and knew I wouldn't be concealed carrying it, so I went with the Tactical model. I've had mine for almost 8 years. It's been really reliable and a nice range gun.
Yep. Totally correct. The whole fnx line can be carried cocked and locked should you decide to. The only risk you run is pushing the safety down too far which decocks the pistol. No big deal, you're just back to DA.
I actually don't care that much about the cock and lock feature. I'm fine with just a decock feature as I prefer DA/SA, but it's a neat option.
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I really enjoy my HK45.
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Returning briefly to mention of the FNX-45, "stchman" said,
Oh, and no; I'm not upset, although there is mild annoyance that quickly passes when folks spout "facts" about certain firearms that they haven't even bothered to look up ...
Smitty79 spoke of the SAR K2 -- I actually looked at one of these in a shop not longer ago and it looked quite well-put together for a "budget" handgun. Funny, I was there hoping to score a CZ-97, but the last one has just sold ...
But, you know ... there's also something about a fine old S&W 4506 ... problem being, you just don't find many left on the used market. One of my all-time favorites!
Frame-mounted safety/de-cocker ... Your five semi-autos that you bring up all have slide-mounted safety/de-cockers. Are you not very familiar with autoloaders? As Chuck R notes, HK's been doing this for years, as has Taurus with their excellent PT-92/99 series.
Oh, and no; I'm not upset, although there is mild annoyance that quickly passes when folks spout "facts" about certain firearms that they haven't even bothered to look up ...
Smitty79 spoke of the SAR K2 -- I actually looked at one of these in a shop not longer ago and it looked quite well-put together for a "budget" handgun. Funny, I was there hoping to score a CZ-97, but the last one has just sold ...
But, you know ... there's also something about a fine old S&W 4506 ... problem being, you just don't find many left on the used market. One of my all-time favorites!
stchman said:
Same as HK as Chuck mentioned. I have the FNP-Tactical and it by far has the best controls...safety + decocker where I can carry DA/SA or SA with it cocked and locked. Very simple, intuitive (even for 1911 owners) and functional design.
For the OP, the FNX with the smallest backstrap really make the grip manageable for medium sized hands.
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I have an FNP-45 USG with the same set of controls. I'd never heard of the USG version until a shop owner said he had something brand new in the back I might like because of the cock+lock feature, etc. (He sold me a Colt WWI Repro the same way - "Here. Look at this." I decided to buy it before he'd even tagged it and put it out.)
Not only do the 15-round mags make for a fun range gun, but now my 1911 pattern guns seem downright small.
Here's a review, but I bought the all black model.
http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=493
Not only do the 15-round mags make for a fun range gun, but now my 1911 pattern guns seem downright small.
Here's a review, but I bought the all black model.
http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=493
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Old Dog is correct. The FNP, FNX, and the HK guns with a frame safety can be carried cocked and locked. Push up for safe, down to decock. You are spouting off about a model you clearly have no experience with and haven't researched.
And why exactly is you owning 5 pistols relevant? I own 5 semiautos, and 7 revolvers. So what? There are dozens upon dozens of models out there just in current production. You've got to do research.
DIV03
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Nothing wrong with the Ruger's SR-1911. Have two of them, one is used for IDPA and the other is a nighstand gun.
Zendude
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Bersa Pro 45? DA/SA hammer fired.
toivo
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Since it looks like nobody else has mentioned it, the SIG P227 is a very nice pistol. It is double-stack, so the grip is on the wide side, but it is manageable for most people with average-sized hands.
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Another vote for a S&W "3rd Generation" metal, hammer-fired .45. A model 4506 or 4566 for steel framed, 5" or 4" barrels. Other variations available in various grip and barrel-length combinations on both steel and aluminum frames. I've personally chosen to stick with 1911-pattern pistols only for shooting .45's but if I were going to purchase a .45 other than a 1911 it would definitely be one of these S&W's.
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Sig P227 might be worth a good hard look.
He said range gun not something to be kept in safe and "paraded" on the internet. If small part breaks in metal framed S&W he is going to what "whittle out" one himself?
Thanks to everyone for their replies...very helpful. I'm not all the way there yet, but I've made some decisions. The CZ97 is out for this purchase. I'll keep it on my radar, and if ever one should make an appearance locally (hahaha), I'll evaluate its ergonomics at that time and very likely buy one IF the handling suits me. The Ruger is out. A serviceable piece for the budget-conscious I'm sure, but there's certainly better options out there.
I've decided to remove my $700 limit, which means the HK 45 is a very real possibility. To be honest, the $700 cap was imposed solely to EXCLUDE the HK45, despite the fact I've always coveted it. Why? Because I was one mouse click away from ordering an HK back when they had the $200 rebate, didn't do it, and have been kicking myself ever since. To buy an HK would cement the $200 "loss", much to my bitterness. Crazy? Yes. <sigh> But, it's been a year now and I'm officially over it! Until I buy one and they bring back the rebate a month later, in which case I'll run down my block screaming! <rant over>
However, I did not realize a VP 45 might be on the very near horizon--if this is true, I am EXTREMELY interested. Might be willing to cool my jets for a couple months and see if any news materializes for spring of this year, as many seem to think is probable. If it's vapor, then I can suck it up and drop the coin on the HK45, or possibly fall back to the PPQ .45. No longer worried about mag release mismatch between it and my M1, and I did watch the Hickok45 review which was pretty cool. But with one PPQ already in the stable, one of the HK's is the more exciting option to me right now. It will definitely be one of these three.
I've decided to remove my $700 limit, which means the HK 45 is a very real possibility. To be honest, the $700 cap was imposed solely to EXCLUDE the HK45, despite the fact I've always coveted it. Why? Because I was one mouse click away from ordering an HK back when they had the $200 rebate, didn't do it, and have been kicking myself ever since. To buy an HK would cement the $200 "loss", much to my bitterness. Crazy? Yes. <sigh> But, it's been a year now and I'm officially over it! Until I buy one and they bring back the rebate a month later, in which case I'll run down my block screaming! <rant over>
However, I did not realize a VP 45 might be on the very near horizon--if this is true, I am EXTREMELY interested. Might be willing to cool my jets for a couple months and see if any news materializes for spring of this year, as many seem to think is probable. If it's vapor, then I can suck it up and drop the coin on the HK45, or possibly fall back to the PPQ .45. No longer worried about mag release mismatch between it and my M1, and I did watch the Hickok45 review which was pretty cool. But with one PPQ already in the stable, one of the HK's is the more exciting option to me right now. It will definitely be one of these three.
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Just to be honest about the HK45, I have the regular old DA/SA trigger in mine. The single action pull is very decent and makes shooting the gun accurately and quickly easy. The DA pull is among the stiffest pulls I've ever felt on a DA gun, but smooth. The thing is though, how many rounds are actually fired DA? Not that many. Mine is my bed side gun because I trust it. Never one single malfunction.
I've considered converting to the LEM trigger. It's DA only, but the one I played with felt great. Lite, crisp, and smooth. It could make the VP45 unnecessary for me.
BUT, I also own a VP9, and I really like that gun. If/when a VP45 comes out, I will likely buy one. I will probably keep my HK45 too because I like it so much, but I could definately see adding the VP as well.
I've considered converting to the LEM trigger. It's DA only, but the one I played with felt great. Lite, crisp, and smooth. It could make the VP45 unnecessary for me.
BUT, I also own a VP9, and I really like that gun. If/when a VP45 comes out, I will likely buy one. I will probably keep my HK45 too because I like it so much, but I could definately see adding the VP as well.
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I missed the rebate too, but I forgot about it as soon as I bought my HK45. Expensive but worth it. Wouldn't blame you for waiting to compare it with the VP45 though.
Now I like having paired guns in two different calibers. When the VP45 appears (I was hoping for SHOT, but it didn't happen) I'll get one to complement my VP9, just as I have a P30/HK45 pair and a few too many others!
Now I like having paired guns in two different calibers. When the VP45 appears (I was hoping for SHOT, but it didn't happen) I'll get one to complement my VP9, just as I have a P30/HK45 pair and a few too many others!
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I have a few apex parts in my M&P 45 and it's well on it's way to becoming a Han solo blaster. It will eventually have slide milling done, with an mrds, extended threaded barrel, and surefire light
If you are going to consider polymer-frame, striker-fired pistols like the HK VP45 and the PPQ 45, you should certainly consider the full-sized SIG P320 45.
I have shot the HK VP9 and personally I find the P320 grip more comfortable and I prefer the trigger on the SIG.
I am not a great shot, but I am astounded by the accuracy I can achieve with the SIG P320 .45 ACP. Heck, with your budget you could buy the stock P320 and send it in to Bruce Gray or the SIG Armorer for a trigger job.
I have shot the HK VP9 and personally I find the P320 grip more comfortable and I prefer the trigger on the SIG.
I am not a great shot, but I am astounded by the accuracy I can achieve with the SIG P320 .45 ACP. Heck, with your budget you could buy the stock P320 and send it in to Bruce Gray or the SIG Armorer for a trigger job.
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For a purely range pistol it's hard to beat the Witness Elite Match. Accurate, reliable, excellent trigger and very comfortable to shoot.
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Have you messed with the springs in your HK45 at all??
Before I LEM'd mine, I went the Match Spring route, and it really did make a difference ( I swapped out the springs on my P30L and P2000 also). Swapping springs was about $25 and 30 minutes tops. Then IF you still want to go the LEM route, you'd have the light or light/match LEM hybrid.
Cool part about the HKs, you can mix and match...
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