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I always was a die hard Glock fan. I always had gen2 or gen3 Glocks and considered them the best handgun design in the world. Few weeks ago I bought gen4 Glock and let me tell you people at Glock got lazy or the Glock handguns entered phase when quality and reliability declines.

In 1996 Walther came up wih Model P99, Cesare Morini worked with walther on the grip design so you got nice grip on P99 and super slick replacement back-straps which untrained aye cant distinguish from the frame. Beautiful and elegant. Back-straps on gen4 is a joke. A silly joke. Looks like someone in Glock sad, ok lets put something on grip that qualifies as a replacement back-strap so peasants will no more complain. Beaver-tail is a complete joke. It is huge, ugly, unproportional and too big and thick for G19 grip.

Than I noticed someone awkward on the locking block. Quick check on the internet proofed that now gen4 Glocks come with MIM parts, locking block, extractor, firing pin safety and firing pin itself all are MIM parts. Looks like Glock compromised on the most crucial parts. Some say milled parts in most pistols are overkill but evolution means becoming better not worse. I dont want to wonder if Glock got it right with MIM, hence there are plenty examples when Glock got things wrong. Like with G21 SF.

Now the RTF3 texture. Again its ugly. Is this the best Glock can offer? Not impressed but well at least it does not destroy your shirts and pants like RTF2.

The one I got has this horrible dark gray finish, the gun already exhibits signs of wear and have scratches all over the slide. As I understand it is not used on Glocks anymore.

Dont get me wrong, the gun shoots and hits just how it is supposed to but I have this awkward feeling that I got cheated.

The only improvement on Gen4 is the bigger magazine release. Thats it.

I think that every gun which is produced long enough has three phases, the first when the gun is evolvong and changing, the second when the firearm reaches its zenith in terms of reliability, dependability and the phase when the manufacturer ruins the great gun trying to figure out where they can compromise and get more profit. I think the Rem870 can be a good example of that. Lets see how Gen4 Glock will hold up but again I think Glock got something wrong. VERY wrong.

To me perfect Gen3 would be a Gen2 frame with proper texture and picatiny rail, oversized mag release, rounded trigger guard and steel guide rod for return spring. I would be happy if Glock will get rid of the plastic joke sights it puts on its handguns and replaced them with some proper sighting system. I think Ruger SR9's have very nice factory combo of front and rear sights, both dovetailed, with ability to adjust for elevation on rear sight.
 
Interesting, I just got rid of my last non gen 4.
Traded it for a gen 4. Go figure.


So, why did you buy it if you hate it so much?
You can still get gen threes, can't you?

Not bashing, just asking?
 
levan9x19 said:
Now the RTF3 texture. Again its ugly.

The one I got has this horrible dark gray finish.

You'd probably be much happier if you didn't buy guns that you consider ugly with horrible finishes.

Some say milled parts in most pistols are overkill but evolution means becoming better not worse.

No, evolution means changing to better adapt to the surrounding environment. Also termed "Survival of the fittest". It has nothing to do with becoming "better" or "worse". Using milled parts where a more efficient (cheaper) process such as MIM provides acceptable quality at a given price point would be a quick way to become extinct in a business environment.
 
So, why did you buy it if you hate it so much?
You can still get gen threes, can't you?

Not bashing, just asking?

first of all it was a good offer. second I wanted to test gen4 for myself. I did not research the topic, nor inspected the gun. Bought in NIB from my friend. As I sad I am still a die hard Glock fan, what could go wrong I thought. :)

I think some people will appreciate slimmer grip and everyone I guess will like the bigger magazine release but in all other cases gen3 is far superior and proven.
 
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You'd probably be much happier if you didn't buy guns that you consider ugly with horrible finishes.

well I hardly believe there is anyone in the world who liked this thin and weak gray finish on some gen4 glocks. This is the worst finish ever applied to Glocks. I had a gen2 G21, all abused, it had some similar but matte finish which felt more like parkerizing and that abused G21 still looked better than my almost new gen4 Glock :scrutiny:

No, evolution means changing to better adapt to the surrounding environment. Also termed "Survival of the fittest". It has nothing to do with becoming "better" or "worse". Using milled parts where a more efficient (cheaper) process such as MIM provides acceptable quality at a given price point would be a quick way to become extinct in a business environment.

I totally agree with you, however we still don't know if the MIM Glocks will hold up as good as older ones. The internet is already full with rumors that gen4's brake more commonly then gen3's :uhoh:
 
I own a GLOCK or two and have them in generations 2, 3, and 4...

Although I like them all, the Gen4 models are definitely my favorite. The biggest "like" is the grip. I prefer the "without any backstrap" option which fits my hand better than any other generation I've owned or shot.

To the OP, I'm sure you can find a suitable trade out there to swap your Gen4 for an earlier model.

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I have put thousands of rounds through my duty Gen 4 G22 without a single issue or breakage. We shoot full power ammo for training so this is not powder puff loads. Sure mine shows signs of holster wear, but it rides in a holster... And I think it adds character. A Glock is like an old pick up. It may not be the prettiest thing out there but it does it's job verl well.
 
I thought the "Older generation guns were great and now company XYZ builds crap." conversations were restricted to us opinionated S&W revolver shooters. I guess not.

Sorry to be a pisser, but
first of all it was a good offer. second I wanted to test gen4 for myself. I did not research the topic, nor inspected the gun. Bought in NIB from my friend. As I sad I am still a die hard Glock fan, what could go wrong I thought.
means it's all on you, and not on Glock. What could go wrong? A lot apparently.

Look at it this way. You learned you don't like gen 4 Glocks, so this could save you money in the long run. You learned that testing something by buying it isn't necessarily a good idea. You learned that a lot of so called "improvements" are often just a marketing ploy. You learned that your "friend" is maybe not the best of friends, since he sold you a gun that he obviously didn't want or think was worth keeping around. If you bought it sight unseen, then you learned not to do that again. If you did see it first, then you have absolutely no basis to be complaining. And last but not least, you learned that a "good offer" is not always a "good offer" or idea.

Better luck next time.
 
I've shot glocks and they are accurate and reliable. I don't own one as I don't care for the feel of the thing, but they do shoot nice.
 
Nothing wrong with MIM . For manufacturing the process is a God send. Its much easier and cheaper to hold parts to a very close tolerance with the process versus many forms of traditional machining .
 
I think the Gen 4 is the best version Glock has done.

The frame corners are more rounded than the previous generations, the standard grip without the back straps gives the best trigger reach, the texture is the best since RTF2, and the Gen 4 guns seem to have the best reputation for accuracy. Add in the .40S&W models will not self destruct quite as quickly, and you can get them to function with a light attached, it's a winner all the way around.

I'll give you they had problems with the early 9mm versions since the original RSA was tuned to the .40S&W, but Glock figured that out and I believe all is well now.
 
Also not a fan of the gen4. Though my reasons are

Trigger - it can never be cleaned up as much as previous gens.
RSA - second thing to ditch after .02cent sights/dovetail protector.

I also dont care for the Mag release. Not a whole lot of options on the aftermarket side like there is with previous gens.
 
A Glock is like an old pick up. It may not be the prettiest thing out there but it does it's job verl well.

I think that's the only Glock attitude that makes any sense, as they are meant to be utilitarian working guns. Though beauty is in the eye of the beholder of course, and care, maintenance level, and the desire of equipment condition is up to the end user also.
 
If you want the quality Glock used to be during the Gen 2 and Gen 3 eras, buy a Springfield XD. Glock has changed the way they produce their guns because of the popularity of them. They simply aren't the same build quality as they used to be.
 
MIM parts is not a death sentence for a gun, especially the small parts that are allegedly being used in the Glock. For a 9mm or even a .40 S&W, I think MIM is perfectly acceptable, but if we're talking 10mm, .45, etc. I would lean towards machined parts.

MIM is just like everything else: if you use cheap materials and have bad QC, you'll have cheaply made parts, but if you use quality material and have good inspection they'll be fine.
 
everyones griping about MIM parts in the Glocks......so far as i can tell, the only mim parts are the locking block, the firing pin safety, and the extractor........

pretty much the only parts that have never given anyone any problems.
 
I suppose when a product has cultivated a quasi-religious fervor among its followers, disputes over the trajectory of the product will have a heretical tone and will spark flame wars of religious intensity....
 
FireInCairo If you want the quality Glock used to be during the Gen 2 and Gen 3 eras, buy a Springfield XD. Glock has changed the way they produce their guns because of the popularity of them. They simply aren't the same build quality as they used to be.
An XD?:scrutiny: You have to be kidding.:rolleyes:
The rest of your post is unsubstantiated nonsense.

Springfield Armory....a name you use when you can't sell guns under their real name.:D
 
locking block, the firing pin safety, and the extractor........

pretty much the only parts that have never given anyone any problems.

You would be incorrect. There have been a few extractor revisions and still complaints of brass to face on guns with a few thousand round through them.
 
Also, it should be noted that Glock has changed their coating process. They no longer use the tennifer process, which wore exceptionally well. Springfield employs that method still, though.

This is why newer Glocks get all scuffy so quickly.

Also, to the Glock fanboys who get really defensive: I have owned and loved a number of Glocks. The early generations are fantastic weapons. I won't embrace poor product development for the sake of a brand name, though, and neither should you.
 
Just to stir the pot, buy a Sig lol...

I have a gen3 G19 and it shoots and feels just fine in my hand. I do not like the grip angle though, that's why I bought a Sig P320.
 
That seems like it would be a design issue and not a MIM issue.

I think it was a mold issue at first, but extractors seem to chip and round easier than previously.

That said, Ive never had an issue with either of my Gen4's extractors (34 and 35). Time will tell though.
 
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