Grrr. Wifes company changed their policies. make sme furious

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My wife worked at a hospital where she was in management meetings and the ban guns in the parking and hospital came up and she fought it tooth and nail and prevailed. After she took another job within six months it was an anti-gun facility.

In her last job firearms were banned period, even in cars and state law offered no recourse. She carried in her vehicle anyway. When she started her current job last summer she was shocked at orientation where this hospital addressed firearms and how their employees could not carry when working but were allowed to and somewhat encouraged too unofficially in their vehicles.

In my current job firearms were banned for years in vehicles and I ignored the rule, yes I could have been fired but had there been a search they would have fired half the employees and most in administration. A few years back my states Supreme Court ruled emphatically that employees could carry in their vehicles.

My employer still puts up signs everywhere and tells employees and students they can't carry but the Supreme Court ruling specifically ruled against my employer and the ruling has been widely circulated. Off the record administration has said we know about the ruling and will abide by it if forced but otherwise it is a no gun policy. Screw'em if they try and enforce it now I'm looking for big bucks, the idiots.
 
edmo01 said:
An option for parking lot security for your wife could be you...

Go meet her as she gets off work and escort her home. She will gain the safety of your presence and will likely enjoy knowing you will be there to meet her after a long day at work.

Edmo
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that's the route we're going with for the summer. She's gonna ride bicycle to work, and I'll pick her up after. Come fall the schedules change and we'll have to work out something else then.
 
Did her company make her sign or show her in the handbook or what not that its against policy to have it in her vehicle?

I was working part time for a large company and at night on the weekends I worked for section 8 housing as a protection officer/armed security.

I would leave the part time job and go to the apartments or to the office and pick up a car so I would change in the locker room into my uniform and head to my vehicle. well this building had off duty police and they mentioned something about who I worked for and I told them. that didn't go over too well. they then told me I couldn't have a handgun in my car that it was against company policy. I was never advised this in writing, none of the buildings were posted and neither was the parking lot. I was never messed with after that.
 
This is why single stacks were invented! Heck, they are so small now a days you can fit them anywhere.
 
anothernewb said:
that's the route we're going with for the summer. She's gonna ride bicycle to work, and I'll pick her up after. Come fall the schedules change and we'll have to work out something else then.
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Good decision, and I agree with the person upthread who posted that since carrying is not forbidden for customers you should go into the store and walk out with her. Bet her co-workers will all be jealous that she has a personal security guard! :)
 
I would assume that in most cases, companies have no carry policies for their employees in order to avoid lawsuits. For instance, if the employee of a company is carrying and accidentally discharges their firearm and injures or kills another employee or customer, the injured person could sue the person carrying as well as their company. I'm not agreeing with any of that. Just saying that the most pro gun company in the world may have a policy against carrying simply so they can avoid any legal issues altogether. On the other side, a company could very well hate guns and just not want guns around solely for that reason.
 
Its purely a bean counters number game.
Insurance companies do the math and decide its much cheaper for them to pay the death benefits owed the employee then pay a multi million dollar wrongful death law suit In the event something happens.


Its something you and her need to decide for your self. Your wife works in a HIGH risk profession. Very high risk in my opinion. The odds are 20 times higher she will be involved in an indecent than most jobs.

Were I work even though our CEO is a permit holder and avid shooter. ( he gives me his used brass) We cant have a fire arm on company property at all, Even in our vehicle. We can even get fired for having ammo on company property. Plus there are just enough back stabbers around to preclude sneaky carry.
I have even offered as a permit holder to be trained as a competent party. I would be willing to head to an event and protect other employees. NOPE.... Wont allow that.

Not high risk for a robbery but we are a terror target for sure. Been fighting that fight for a few years. No way around the Insurance company Lawyers as yet. Would need to be a legislated fix.
At least I have a few levels of locked doors before the shooter would have access to me. I have a bullet resistant plate Lev 3a in a back pack and I hope I am faster than the person who is behind me.
 
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Idea

She must carry a Colt Python, Charter Arms Bulldog, Taurus, etc. The gun is designated an Emotional Support Animal under the ADA. No species limitations are placed on this category of support animal, and it is illegal to ask what the disability is. PTSD, anxiety about a violent encounter would work. Technically, she would need a statement from an MD or mental health professional, but nobody is allowed to ask for it. (Don't try this on a plane however) Failing that, an ostentatious display of pepper spray to mollify all the busybody antis at work and keep on with deep concealment as usual.
 
it's known that she carries, but there are a few niggysobs that also love to be tools and get people fired - just because they can.
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Right there in the OP; my question is, WHY does anyone know she carries (or, used to), and even more to the point, WHY do the niggysobs (never heard that term before) have this knowledge??

Sam
 
The link you provided does not support your assertion that an employer has "zero liability". Here is the larger section that includes the quote you provided (emphasis added):
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It's not reasonable to expect a workplace to be impervious to crime; however, an employer has a legal duty to do everything within reason to minimize the chance of crime against his workers. When an employer fails in that duty and a worker is injured, the worker may have the basis of a third-party claim against the employer.

In most cases, employees who become the victims of a crime in the workplace (including robbery) can legally claim only workers' compensation benefits. Those benefits normally include payment of medical bills, counseling, out-of-pocket expenses (medication, bandages, etc.), and about two-thirds of lost wages. Workers' comp benefits do not include payment for pain and suffering.

If you're the victim of a workplace robbery, you may be able to overcome the restrictions of workers' comp and file a third-party claim against your employer. You must be able to prove your employer's actions or omissions constituted "gross negligence" or a "wanton disregard" for your safety. Unfortunately there's no strict definition for these terms. Courts evaluate the circumstances of each case individually.
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While an employee may qualify for worker's comp claims if injured or killed during such an event, you would be hard pressed to find too many instances where employers are successfully sued for compensation for not providing enough protection against illegal acts. The problem is one of the "gross negligence" issue. Most properly run businesses provide little or no real protection against armed robbery but are not being grossly negligent in the eyes of the law (civil and criminal).

To date, nobody has successfully won a case for compensation against an employer after a robbery where the employer did not allow the employees to be armed for not allowing them to be armed.

Allowing the employees to be armed does not reduce the employer's civil liability to employees, but it does potentially increase the civil liability of the employer to the public.
 
Otherwise, they could not search my vehicle without consent...
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That is correct. However, it's quite likely that they can terminate your employment for failing to consent.

You wouldn't be breaking any law by telling them they can't search the car. And they wouldn't be breaking any law by telling you that you're fired for not letting them search the car.

Your state's laws may differ, but that's the way it is in at least some states.
If you're the victim of a workplace robbery, you may be able to overcome the restrictions of workers' comp and file a third-party claim against your employer. You must be able to prove your employer's actions or omissions constituted "gross negligence" or a "wanton disregard" for your safety. Unfortunately there's no strict definition for these terms. Courts evaluate the circumstances of each case individually.
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That's going to be a tough challenge. People understand that there's only so much that can be done to prevent crime and taking "reasonable precautions" will satisfy most people that there has been no gross negligence or wanton disregard.

I think that it would be likely for the company to try to counter claims that preventing carry in the workplace is wanton disregard/gross negligence by saying that they're actually watching out for their employees--that ALLOWING guns in the workplace would be gross negligence/wanton disregard and that's why they disallow it.
 
SHOOT1SAM said:
Right there in the OP; my question is, WHY does anyone know she carries (or, used to), and even more to the point, WHY do the niggysobs (never heard that term before) have this knowledge??

Sam
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It's known, because there are others she works with that we also see at the range. We talk. We've gone to the classes together. We're both avid supporters and promote 2A. Other people talk. small town and word gets around.

As for nigyysob.

"Now I Got You You S. O. B." A term I learned and now often use in my office to describe otherwise seemingly copacetic people who seem to delight in nothing other than finding new and different ways to narc on each other for any violation - perceived or otherwise, and waste vast amounts of government resources doing so. You all know these people, the ones that seem nice, but will glom onto any rumor real or fake about someone doing something they "disapprove of" and spend ridiculous amounts of time going on a personal crusade to "take care of it"

Part of my job is dealing with property disputes and encroachment/tresspass/easement crap. I deal with property problems - in addition to other duties.
As an aside, and totally off topic- some of the most impeding government rules often come from people like this. They keep pushing things up the chain sometimes when a good old fashioned talking to each other or a really good fence will solve. They get government involved where it shouldn't, and since they have to work in generalities at certain scales, we get these stupid blanket rules which really only restrict people.
 
I work in a "fire arm free zone" and I don't carry on the job. I do, however, keep a snub-nosed .357 in the car. Everywhere else, I carry concealed.

If I was allowed to carry, I would. I like my job so I stick to the rules. Although I don't have any "weapons" in my office, I do have some "tools" that could be somewhat helpful in the event of an active shooter: hammer, screwdriver, etc.
 
purse

If she keeps the gun in a zippered pocket of her purse, and locks the purse up when she arrives, how is anyone going to know?
 
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. She was once robbed and didn't even know it was going down. She was armed. The bad guy was actually using a pellet gun. The cashier was petrified and kept quiet. He handed over a note and the tech gave him bottles of drugs. He was gone before my wife knew what happened. I believe she would have shot him if she was aware of what was going on. I hope she would have at least. It might not be a pellet gun next time. Incidentally, the guy was desperate and withdrawing. He'd abstained to pass the drug test to work at a good company. His address was on the note he handed the cashier. They caught him several hours later.
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I have a different hope. The reason for shooting is to prevent bodily harm or death. In this case no one was hurt nor would anyone have been hurt if the gun was real. It is the ideal outcome. Suppose the gun was real, and your wife had shot the perp. She might have missed and killed a bystander. If she hit the perp, he might have pulled the trigger and killed the employee. In either case he might have shot back at your wife and killed her.

If someone is approached in the street, especially a woman, the situation is much different. The perp may want to mug or rape the woman. There are no bystanders. She is quite close and unlikely to miss. In this case the probability of physical harm is high and the probability of preventing it by shooting is high. Shooting, in these cases is sometimes the best option.
 
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"Not that our town is a bad town, but that parking lot is the local hangout for the kids and the punks to gather before they go do whatever it is they do these days. Most of the time it's the usual high school kids trying to look tough and cool- but there have been 3 incidents in the last couple years where either cops or punks have fired shots there."

I'd suggest the anti-gun people take the late shifts. If they aren't wiling to see that something is unsafe for others, then they should take on that shift themselves!
 
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