Robber w/ AK47 shot by Waffle House customer....

MIL-DOT · Jul 13, 2016

One for the good guys ! Gee, I wonder if Yahoo,Huffington,Vox,MSNBC, are gonna scream this one from the rooftops ?

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...y-waffle-house-customer-desoto-police-say.ece

"DeSoto police are hoping the public can help them identify the suspect in an aggravated robbery at a Waffle House last week......
Customers told police that the man had come into the restaurant, armed with an AK-47, and robbed numerous people as well as the business.....
One customer, who was legally carrying a concealed handgun, followed the robber into the parking lot because he was afraid for the safety of his wife, who was on her way to the Waffle House.
The customer called out to the robber, who turned and pointed the rifle at him, police said. The customer then shot the robber several times......"

hso · Jul 13, 2016

"called out to the robber"???

MIL-DOT · Jul 13, 2016

hso said:
"called out to the robber"???

Well, that's what the article says, but what's your point? Was the armed citizen's action not high-road enough ? :neener:

Warp · Jul 13, 2016

This story is very clearly fabricated.

The internet has told me...many times...that it is impossible for a lone concealed carrier with a handgun to take on an attacker with a rifle. The internet has also told me that "drawing on a drawn gun" is guaranteed to leave you dead.

Where is the real article? You know, the one where the guy with the gun was killed for trying to play Superman?

GAF · Jul 13, 2016

This looked like a situation that called for a good witness instead of intervention.

Warp · Jul 13, 2016

GAF said:
This looked like a situation that called for a good witness instead of intervention.

Would you call your wife to find out where she was and tell her not to come, hoping not to call too late?

jmorris · Jul 13, 2016

Police are seeking the public's help in identifying the robbery suspect. He is described as a black man, 25 or 26 years old, who is 6-1 or 6-2 and 180 to 190 pounds. Police released pictures of the man's distinctive tattoos.

That's not a lot to go on without photos of the tattoos...

danez71 · Jul 13, 2016

Warp said:
Would you call your wife to find out where she was and tell her not to come, hoping not to call too late?

LOL... Would you rather call your wife to see where she was, hoping your call was too late?

sorry, I had to

But seriously, Sure I'd call in effort to warn her. Wouldn't you?

Why wouldn't you make an attempt to warn her?

That doesn't prevent you from keeping your eye on the bad guy when he left.

Maybe I'm missing something

Warp · Jul 13, 2016

danez71 said:
LOL... Would you rather call your wife to see where she was, hoping your call was too late?

sorry, I had to

But seriously, Sure I'd call in effort to warn her. Wouldn't you?

Why wouldn't you make an attempt to warn her?

That doesn't prevent you from keeping your eye on the bad guy when he left.

Maybe I'm missing something

I don't get it?

I would want to keep an eye on him from within effective handgun range, without tipping him off that I was doing so, if possible. I think talking on the phone might interfere with that. It would also interfere with talking to the 911 operator, if that was something to be done.

Hard to say without having had to make the decision, and without knowing the many subtleties of the situation. I don't think that will stop the MMQB crowd from posting at length about how wrong it was for the carrier to shoot the armed robber, though.

danez71 · Jul 13, 2016

Warp said:
I don't get it?

I would want to keep an eye on him from within effective handgun range, without tipping him off that I was doing so, if possible. I think talking on the phone might interfere with that. It would also interfere with talking to the 911 operator, if that was something to be done.

Hard to say without having had to make the decision, and without knowing the many subtleties of the situation. I don't think that will stop the MMQB crowd from posting at length about how wrong it was for the carrier to shoot the armed robber, though.

(you said - "hoping your call was not too late". I said - "hoping your call was too late. Bad humor. I love my wife very much.)

I agree. Making the call could interfere, but it might not. And youre right, too, about the little subtleties of the situation can make big differences (paraphrasing).

I'm sorry, I don't know what's meant by 'MMQB crowd'. Whats MMQB?

HoosierQ · Jul 13, 2016

danez71 said:
(you said - "hoping your call was not too late". I said - "hoping your call was too late. Bad humor. I love my wife very much.)

I agree. Making the call could interfere, but it might not. And youre right, too, about the little subtleties of the situation can make big differences (paraphrasing).

I'm sorry, I don't know what's meant by 'MMQB crowd'. Whats MMQB?

Monday Morning Quarter Back.

danez71 · Jul 13, 2016

Ahhh...thanks HoosierQ.

yugorpk · Jul 13, 2016

Warp said:
This story is very clearly fabricated.

The internet has told me...many times...that it is impossible for a lone concealed carrier with a handgun to take on an attacker with a rifle. The internet has also told me that "drawing on a drawn gun" is guaranteed to leave you dead.

Where is the real article? You know, the one where the guy with the gun was killed for trying to play Superman?

I've learned from the internet, and this forum, that people who get shot with handguns keep doing whatever it is they were doing before they get shot. Handguns have no effect on human tissue.

Sam1911 · Jul 13, 2016

Perhaps we're miscommunicating here. I don't see where the article says he did (or didn't) call 911, or his wife. It seems to say he called out (as in "yelled") TO the robber.

Anyone in that situation who wasn't immediately engaged with defending his/her life SHOULD get on the line with 911.

Nobody should be hollering at or interfering with the armed bad guy unless they must.

Of course though, the article leaves most of the important details unspecified. We don't know WHY the armed citizen "called out to" the robber after the man had left the building. There could have been a very pressing reason.

Or the guy just may have had an odd panic/fear reaction and felt that for some reason he had to delay or stop the robber? Many folks do go on autopilot in panic situations and do things (like draw the attention of a potential killer armed with a rifle) even if they would clearly know better in less terrified moments.

Without a full narrative to go on, we'd just be speculating.

Sam1911 · Jul 13, 2016

I've learned from the internet, and this forum, that people who get shot with handguns keep doing whatever it is they were doing before they get shot. Handguns have no effect on human tissue.

The internet has told me...many times...that it is impossible for a lone concealed carrier with a handgun to take on an attacker with a rifle. The internet has also told me that "drawing on a drawn gun" is guaranteed to leave you dead.

Where is the real article? You know, the one where the guy with the gun was killed for trying to play Superman?

C'mon guys, no reason to stoop to idiotic hyperbole. I've come to expect that both of you are capable of more intelligent interpretation and analysis than that.

Warp · Jul 13, 2016

There is some miscommunication. I understood what the article meant (we think) by calling out, I asked about calling his wife because, IMO, it is expected to do something, knowing that a rifle armed robber is walking through the parking lot your wife is on the way to. Those options seem limited, off the top of my head, to attempting to follow and hoping to be able to intervene effectively if necessary, or calling and hoping she avoids the situation entirely.

Sam1911 · Jul 13, 2016

Oh, sure! And I absolutely agree. I'd be trying to warn her, if possible, and yeah keeping a safe following distance to try and have some chance of intervening if she ended up in a threatened position. That all makes sense.

Calling the armed robber's attention to yourself, though, would seems to need a REAL good explanation, which hasn't yet been provided. (I can think of one, but it's speculation and probably far-fetched.)

Schwing · Jul 13, 2016

I am guessing but in my mind, the only reason to call out to the robber would be to be able to stop him but not shoot him in the back as he was retreating.

I wouldn't have done that but I wasn't there and can't know what was going on in this guy's head. If my wife was in the parking lot or in view of the bad guy, that is one thing. If I even thought he had her in his sights I would not bother to get his attention before taking action.

The article seems to indicate, however, that the CC holder believed she was on here way there... Not really enough to go on.

Sam1911 · Jul 13, 2016

I am guessing but in my mind, the only reason to call out to the robber would be to be able to stop him but not shoot him in the back as he was retreating.

That would be a pair of fairly common (but not necessarily sound) ideas that could have been at the root of his actions. But we certainly don't really know.

Warp · Jul 13, 2016

Schwing said:
I am guessing but in my mind, the only reason to call out to the robber would be to be able to stop him but not shoot him in the back as he was retreating.

Or it appears he is preparing to shoot somebody. I could see calling out under the assumption that doing so might get a quicker reaction than a pistol bullet, especially if you haven't drawn yet (might not want to be creeping around gun in hand while robbery calls are going out if you can help it), and yes the "in the back" thing occurred to me, can't help but think of it after reading about the guy with the AC556 and it being argued he shot his attacker in the back

Hanzo581 · Jul 13, 2016

2:30am at a Waffle House?

No thanks.

Running outside to confront a man with an AK?

No thanks.

Sure, we all can say what'd we do and not do after the fact but there is a lot wrong with this situation, and you don't need to be a genius to figure that out.

MIL-DOT · Jul 13, 2016

I didn't post this necessarilly as an endorsement of the guy's decision to engage the guy with the AK, it was just for information/entertainment value.
That being said, i would agree that it wasn't the most prudent move he could've made (I sure as hell wouldn't seek to go up against an AK with a pistol.............not even a 1911 .45acp !!

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But, as for his presumed ommision to call 911, given the widespread proliferation of cell phones nowadays, it's pretty much a given that virtually all of the customers and staff already had that covered.
Another point: the guy with the pistol could've been concerned about the potential next victims of this nutball, and just wasn't the type to sit safely out of the way while he had the potential to stop the badguy.
The AK guy could've walked right up to a couple car loads of people stopped at the light and open fired, and the guy with the pistol would've been in prime position to stop him.
I say "kudos" to the guy with the pistol, I'd hope in the same situation that I'd have the balls and the skills to do the same thing.

Sam1911 · Jul 13, 2016

Another point: the guy with the pistol could've been concerned about the potential next victims of this nutball, and just wasn't the type to sit safely out of the way while he had the potential to stop the badguy.

Sure. But, again, there's just too much we don't know. If the guy is leaving, and there isn't anyone he's pointing that gun at, then there isn't much call to shoot him. No immediate need. What he MIGHT do to someone else, later, isn't a valid reason for using deadly force.

The AK guy could've walked up to a couple car loads of people stopped at the light and open fired, and the guy with the pistol would've been in prime position to stop him.

Sure, though he COULD do anything at all, equally totally unrelated to and incongruous with a robbery. Like sit down and shoot himself in the head. Or start dancing the funky chicken. Or wander off never to be seen again. Watching, from a safe distance, to see where he goes and possibly aid police in apprehending him -- and possibly being close enough to save someone else's life if he goes completely nuts -- would be a very "good samaritan/good citizen" thing to do.

Confronting him as he's leaving and FORCING an exchange of gunfire would not be a wise or socially reasonable thing to do.

I say "kudos" to the guy with the pistol, I'd hope in the same situation that I'd have the balls and the skills to do the same thing.

Having the skills and the courage would be good. Having the wisdom and sense not to would be even better!

MIL-DOT · Jul 13, 2016

Sam1911 said:
No immediate need. What he MIGHT do to someone else, later, isn't a valid reason for using deadly force.

Huh ? The guy just robbed people at gunpoint with an AK47 !! There is "valid reason" for shooting this idiot right in the face that very instant.
And, the rational assumption here is not that he's a reasonable guy that just wants some beer money, and he'll peacfully go home. The factual assumption is that the guy is a dangerous,armed felon that is a fraction of a second from killing half a dozen people!!
And, I already acknoweldged confronting the guy "wasn't the most prudent move".

Sam1911 said:
.....Watching, from a safe distance, to see where he goes and possibly aid police in apprehending him -- and possibly being close enough to save someone else's life if he goes completely nuts -- would be a very "good samaritan/good citizen" thing to do.

As you mentioned, we don't have all the facts. The guy with the pistol could've easily been doing just that, and the AK guy was the one that escalated the situation, by going after more innocent people, or turning on the pistol guy......or even by just doing the 'funky chicken' !!

Hanzo581 · Jul 13, 2016

Wait, so you're saying he's going from robbery to mass murdering people in random cars?

We are making a few jumps in logic here. He had committed his crime and was fleeing. Now you could make the argument if he didn't have a vehicle that he would try to carjack someone, maybe even the guys wife as she pulled up. But again, all speculation.

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