Gun Rights in Low Income Urban Neighborhoods

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I never said that the narrative should onld be questioned when LE is shown in a bad light. With me so far? I said that I have seen situations where what happened and what was reported in the media is not the same thing. Understand? The truth is that the media is usually not there for the event, and I have seen them twist facts and refuse to correct them.
It took you long enough to indirectly answer the question.

They weren't there for the killing of Kathryn Johnston... yet they initially believed the "ripping yarn" spun by the Atlanta PD, and disseminated it as the truth.

See how simple that was?
 
My mistake

I thought you'd read what I said not what you thought I said. In the future, I'll take that deficiency into account. I repeated the same essential information in at least 2 posts! Now, your turn. Zimmerman?
 
I thought you'd read what I said not what you thought I said. In the future, I'll take that deficiency into account. I repeated the same essential information in at least 2 posts! Now, your turn. Zimmerman?
I read what you wrote, NOT what you DIDN'T write.

You "answer" questions that weren't asked and don't answer the ones that were.

James Carville does that a lot.

What about Zimmerman?

His case was clearly self-defense. His problem is that he can't keep his damned mouth shut.
 
Guilt by association?

Is that the best you can do? Fact is that you remind me of the dedicated leftists I knew in college. All they had to do was see me in my ROTC uniform and they started yelling that I was a murderer and baby killer. Using your standard, I would be calling you one of them. For the record, I am not, but that is the poor tactic you are using.

Now, how long did it take for you to answer a simple question? Frankly, you're not that good as an internet bully.
 
All of our freedoms, emphatically including the right to arms, should be as universal as possible. Denying it to a group based on ethnicity or degree of wealth is classism of the most blatant sort.

Saying "Well some of them might misuse it." is the argument of our progressive friends about every human activity. It is the tactic of those who want to control others. The precautionary principle is always used against "others".

The BGM gent from the OP has my support. Even if some of trainees eventually make bad decisions. A licensed driver in France recently killed many innocent people. Driving should still be taught.
 
Bringing examples of unjustified police shootings into this discussion is a straw man argument. No one ever said that the police are perfect, or that they don't make mistakes, or even that there aren't some bad apples out there. BUT...

That doesn't justify what this "firearms instructor" is saying. If you can't see through his political agenda, then I highly suggest you turn off MSNBC because it's rotting your brain. I imagine the number of unjustified police shootings per year is somewhere along the lines of shark attacks and lightning strikes. And most of those are probably accidents and misunderstandings. And out of those accidental shootings, where the officer made a mistake, the victim was probably doing something to intentionally aggravate the situation. Like the 12 year old black kid with a BB gun that looked every bit like a real handgun.

And in general, white people are far more likely to be involved in an unjustified police shooting than blacks. More white people are shot by police each year, despite the fact that most violent encounters with police are committed by black men. It's obvious that black communities are being handled with kid gloves, a practice going back to the aftermath of the Rodney King riots. And this soft treatment of thugs is the major reason why black communities have become so dangerous lately. They scream bloody murder when a thug gets shot by police, then they accuse the police of not doing their jobs when that same thug breaks into their house. This guy is using the same line of BLM doublethink. First he says that blacks need firearms training to protect themselves because police aren't doing their jobs, then he says that they need it in order to protect themselves from police doing their jobs. It's absurd.

When you look at this guy's warped politics, it's easy to see he's just another racist extremist BLM type who thinks whitey is out to get him. And he's advocating violence against police who have done nothing wrong. When he speaks of police shootings, we must surmise that he's speaking of the ones most widely publicised, the ones which resulted in entire neighbourhoods being destroyed, namely Michael Brown. If he meant to refer to lesser known, potentially legitimate wrongdoings, then he would have named them specifically and intentionally excluded cases like that of Michael Brown.

So essentially what this guy is saying is that Michael Brown should have been carrying a gun so he could shoot Darren Wilson in "self defense." Or that Trayvonne Martin would have been justified in killing Zimmerman. That is not the position of someone who is a constitutionalist. It's the position of a radical racial extremist, and a militant one at that.

And again, if you're getting your news from Vice, then that's your problem. There's nothing those people are saying that's worth anyone's time.
 
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Bringing examples of unjustified police shootings into this discussion is a straw man argument. No one ever said that the police are perfect, or that they don't make mistakes, or even that there aren't some bad apples out there. BUT...
Actually it's not.

...unless you believe that under NO circumstances can someone use deadly force to defend oneself from the police.

As I recall, at least one cop was directly involved in the kidnapping and murder of freedom riders Cheney, Schwerner and Goodman. Are you saying that the victims had NO right to defend themselves from murder with deadly force?

Remember, we're talking about general principles.
 
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