Hunter & Guides hit each other with "Friendly Fire"

Yep, one of the hunting guides shot a client and was shot by the other guide. They claimed the shots were fired by Illegal immigrants.

https://mic.com/articles/169069/tex...to-blame-mexican-immigrants-for-it#.3NcMMXrWT

How does someone who accidentally shoots TWO people get "accidentally" shot themselves moments later by a third? I don't think the picture is complete, but I won't go into posting theories.

Only two people were shot. A guide shot a hunter then another man shot the guide.

From mt link:

"On Jan. 6, Dougherty, 26, of New Mexico, is believed to have shot Edwin Roberts, a 59-year-old Florida chiropractor who was hunting at a ranch in the border town of Candelaria, Texas. Daugherty, who was also hunting at the ranch, was apparently shot and wounded by Bryant, a member of his hunting party. Daugherty and Roberts were airlifted from the scene."

What it does point out is that when you are involved in the activity you do not have an omniscient view of the scene - just your limited (and potentially overactive) impression of events. You are just one perspective of the overall situation.

It can and does lead to making choices that are not supported later.

Nowhere in the article or related associated articles do I see anything about IDENTIFYING the target. Nada. Just people making assumptions and blasting away. Maybe a better and more accurate description will help, but I got the feeling the people in the RV pulled an Uncle Joe Biden and shot thru the door.

Wonder what they think about it now lying in their hospital beds.

Not a big fancier of dogs, but it would seem that if you live out on the edge of the wilderness walking distance from the border, would you not have a pair of large dogs for security? Motion activated lights? Perimeter alarms like are sold for driveway use (and they are sensitive enough to be triggered by a human)?

Maybe they thought that was just more stuff to be stolen. I'm more inclined to think 8 foot fencing topped with concertina and add another dog. I have seen ranches in older areas with the house surrounded by a fence of cactus and thorn trees. It kept the cattle out -

Flynt said:

I also wonder about the felony charges. Looks like it's a matter of bungled self-defense..."I feared for my life..." and not meriting a felony rap.

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Just because one of them may have "feared for their life" doesn't mean it was a reasonable fear (which is what the court generally requires). And since when has "someone may be stealing my stuff, I'm gonna shoot them" been ok?

There is no such thing as a "bungled self defense shooting" that is legal. It is either a legitimate use of self defense, or it is a felony. There is no middle ground.

These reports seem light on details, but I could see the argument that the person returning fire was acting in legitimate self defense. However he is gonna have a very hard time answering the question "so if you thought it was a legit act of self defense, why did you lie and say illegals shot them both?". In my non-lawyer opinion, I think they're both screwed.

Flynt said:

I'm glad no one was killed, but this makes us look bad -- at least in the eyes of those who are inclined to see it that way.

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Not "us" as hunters in general but two individuals who are personally responsible for their actions. Generalizing something like this to hunters/guides not involved in the particular incident or implying that an incident like this is somehow common, typical or represents a course of action that could be anticipated from a significant portion of hunters/guides is absurd. Nothing short of a collectivist pipe dream and an intentionally manufactured straw man fallacy. None of the other ~34 million of North American hunters were there hence can't be held responsible in any way.

Ie. "hunters do that" / "guides do that" using an isolated, highly unusual incident as an excuse isn't a statistically or intellectually valid statement. It's propaganda, which in cases like this is easy to debunk. Those (few) who like to generalize regardless have already made up their minds and are beyond any logical reasoning.

I am not sure who was in fear for their life or why, but they apparently lied to law enforcement who did a fairly extensive investigation. There were no raiders as claimed. The fact that the group pinned the shooting on illegal aliens (how did they know they were illegal?) that then went back across the border (how did they know when they didn't follow them?) and had other aspects to their story that didn't make sense - well the whole thing was hokey from the start. Gotta wonder if there will be some sort of additional fraud charges for the Gofundme account used to raise money for the guide that was shot since the story behind the event was apparently a lie.

So, given that there were no raiders to be in fear of their lives from, the guides are charged accordingly with felony charges.

Here is a pretty good summary from Texas Monthly...
http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/real-story-behind-presidio-county-shooting/

Well, the charges were dropped for some odd reason and were refiled in December 2017 bigbendnow.com/2017/12/hunters-in-narco-shootout-re-indicted/ (I read the google summary, but bigbendnow.com does not seem to be up and running right now)

In the mean time, a lawsuit has come about...

http://www.newswest9.com/story/3770...-lawsuit-against-hunting-guides-organizations

It seems the good doctor would like some compensation for being shot multiple times by the guides.