Russian homemade guns (pretty wild ;)

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Browsing through the Russian news sites, stumbled upon this article regarding various homemade shooting weapons that the Russian police had recovered during searches and arrests.

The vast majority of them were found in the homes of some country drunks with no job and prior arrests, or retirees. Which probably explains the steampunk appearance (little money & no access to sophisticated tools). The "real" hardened criminals can afford to buy "real" guns on the black market.

Still, it's a pretty wild gallery of weapons. There's no translation available, but it's really not needed, they are basically saying where they found them, and very little info regarding the guns themselves. Some highlihgts - #8 is a fully automatic SMG; #4 is basically a shooting stick; #6 is a shooting pen made by some underground criminal toolshop.

https://lenta.ru/photo/2017/05/28/homemade/#0
 

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Apparently this is prevalent among pensioners.

Otherwise, where there’s a will, there’s a way.
 
Interesting. People put a lot of work into creating these things. Some powerful groups here in the U.S. would, no doubt, like to reduce us to building things like this. Then imprison the builders and proclaim they had saved the public from horrible crime and devastation by seizing and destroying these Weapons of Mass Destruction;)
 
Oh man, he was so close to near perfection. The left hand selector (if thumb reachable) and left hand charging handle on the AK-46 would have made the -47 brilliant if carried over.

Sounds like these were two features that were specifically refused by the trial committee.

I kind of see why, too - it's far easier to hold the gun by the foregrip with your left hand and pull the charging level with your right hand, without the barrel moving as much, due to the weight distribution.

Just to add: the charging handle that large on either side only decreases accuracy... imho. Just watch this video of AK47 firing with dust cover removed..

 
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If using Chrome the browser will offer to translate the page.

Apparently this is prevalent among pensioners.

Otherwise, where there’s a will, there’s a way.

The browser will translate the first page, but as you click through the slides it won't translate the accompanying text, unless you keep re-pasting the URLs into it. At least, not on my desktop.

Regardless, the notes aren't very interesting, IMHO.
 
:)

Actually, here's a good article (in English) on Kalashnikov's prototypes. He was an accomplished gun designer even before AK-47, although none of his earlier guns went into serial production.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...ikhail-kalashnikovs-great-firearms-portfolio/

Everything I've read says the exact opposite. He had submitted subgun designs previously, but the ministry said his designs were so primitive that they weren't even worth looking at.

It just so happened that Kalashnikov worked for the man who was heading up the assault rifle trials. It also just so happened that he was assisted by a skilled engineer named Zaitsev. It also just so happened that at that time Hugo Schmeisser, the man who designed the Stg-44, had been captured by the Russians in WWII and was currently assisting them in their small arms designs.

It also just so happens that the records of Schmeisser's whereabouts during the trials and design phases leading up to them are still classified by the Russians. Although Kalashnikov did finally admit that Schmeisser had helped with the design.

The engineer who evaluated the AK 46 rejected it, but Kalashnikov's boss revised his report to let Kalashnikov stay in the running. After which they assign him more help, from an engineer who is also one of the judges. All these men had access to all the entry designs, including this one by Bulkin:

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And this is what Kalashnikov shows up with at the next trial:

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Which looks absolutely nothing like his AK 46:

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So they chose Kalashnikov's design over Bulkin's (despite the AK 46 breaking during testing), then next time Kalashnikov shows up with a slightly refined version of Bulkin's design. And to even get that far, he needed the help of three highly qualified small arms engineers, two of which were judges, and one of which was in charge of the trials (all three were not supposed to help the designers, and they were supposed to keep each design confidential from the other entrants to protect their intellectual property).

It's unclear what exactly Kalashnikov was doing during all this. Incidentally, the widow of the man in charge of the trials published his memoirs a few years back. Kalashnikov was so afraid of what might be in them (he had said some not so flattering things about Kalashnikov in the past) that he tried to bribe his widow into not publishing the memoirs. My guess is he was probably told to go sit in a corner and stay out of the way, and that that's what he was afraid was in the memoirs, a confession that he had not made any contribution to the design. Then again, that's speculation on my part, but that's certainly the way it looks.

I'm sorry, I know this is off topic, but it sticks in my craw to hear people sing that man's praises. Bulkin deserves credit for the AK47, and if Russia had not been communist he would have sued everyone's pants off and won. Even then though, it's hard to say how much help he was getting from Schmeisser. Even the idea for the AK47 was uninspired, as the Russians simply wanted to make an Stg-44 clone that incorporated a rotating bolt, which they learned to make from a captured M1 carbine. And even then they needed to capture and keep prisoner a terminally ill man and force him to help them in their blundering quest, despite the fact the poor guy was dying and just wanted to see his family. The only thing Russia deserves credit for is being the first to capture the greatest small arms engineer of the first half of the twentieth century then work him to death.
 
AK-47 is very different from STG-44 internally. One thing they have in common is the "Kurtz" intermediate round idea.

And the USSR had a long history of making excellent weapons, it's not like they were lost without Hugo Schmeisser .

PPSh-41 was an immensely successful design. PPS-43 is considered to be the best SMG of the war. DP was a very good machine gun, largely held back by the archaic drum magazine design (but then, the famous BREN could also benefit from being belt fed). ShKAS was one of the best aircraft MG's in the world at the time, with the highest rate of fire yet low weight (did have some jamming problems, but so did most other designs). So, using a fresh input from a famous designer was likely beneficial, but hardly a ground breaking contribution to the Soviet gun design experience.

And there was no such thing as intellectual property in the USSR. Think of it as one huge company, the designers all work for the same top authority and are supposed to share ideas for the common good.
 
AK-47 is very different from STG-44 internally. One thing they have in common is the "Kurtz" intermediate round idea.

And the USSR had a long history of making excellent weapons, it's not like they were lost without Hugo Schmeisser .

PPSh-41 was an immensely successful design. PPS-43 is considered to be the best SMG of the war. DP was a very good machine gun, largely held back by the archaic drum magazine design (but then, the famous BREN could also benefit from being belt fed). ShKAS was one of the best aircraft MG's in the world at the time, with the highest rate of fire yet low weight (did have some jamming problems, but so did most other designs). So, using a fresh input from a famous designer was likely beneficial, but hardly a ground breaking contribution to the Soviet gun design experience.

And there was no such thing as intellectual property in the USSR. Think of it as one huge company, the designers all work for the same top authority and are supposed to share ideas for the common good.

Actually, the Russians developed the 7.62x39 from 8mm Kurz rounds that were captured along with some very early Stg 44s on the Russian Front in 1933. The trials that produced the AK 47 were begun as a direct result of those captured Stg 44s. The AK 47 is basically a simplified Stg 44 with a rotating bolt, which is exactly what the Russians instructed the designers to do. They had captured a US M1 carbine earlier in the war and liked the rotating bolt.

The PPSh-41 was actually a copy of a Finnish SMG in the Winter War. But the modern SMG as we know it was invented by Schmeisser, so again it's not like they had come up with anything original.

While they didn't have patents, and all intellectual property was state owned, anyone who made contributions could expect to benefit. The designers were promised that their designs would be kept confidential throughout the trials, and that no intellectual property would be given to competing designers. There's just no good way you can paint what happened. They stole Bulkin's AB 46, refined it slightly, and allowed Kalashnikov to put his name on it. As a result, Kalashnikov lived in relative luxury for the rest of his life. The Soviets were trying to prove a point, that an uneducated farmer such as Kalashnikov could become a successful engineer. It was like they were looking to justify Stalin's forced industrialization by making it appear successful. The man was a symbol for that success, as if that justified the millions who starved as a result of that industrialization.

It's unclear who gave the order. I doubt it was the man overseeing the trials (Kalashnikov's boss), as he didn't seem to have much respect for Kalashnikov. He's actually the one who said that Kalashnikov's early subguns were so primitive they didn't even bother test firing them. Kalashnikov had been declared an engineer when he designed a tank round counter and was kind of thrust onto their division. They seem to have just ignored him for the most part.
 
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