Merwin & Bray / Plant's Mfg "front-loaders". "CONVERTED"?

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Getting more difficult to find stuff older than me. This will qualify but the road has twists & turns. This is an offering that I haven't decided on yet. Sorry, no photos yet but revolver has "Merwin & Bray " on barrel & Plant's mfg. nowhere. No sign of the usual front pushing extractor affair behind the cylinder having ever been there. No typical lips in the cylinder face. 41 rim fire is perfect fit. My Flayderman book relates to "modified" guns from original cup fire to rim fire. When I Google "Merwin & Bray conversion" , I find enough to make me very curious. Of course, there is the choice of words ...."modified"......or....."converted". The minute Rollin-White expired, Colt & others got busy doing "conversions". Dennis Adler did a nice book on cartridge "conversion" guns & many have been written of. There are a number of guns out there that instead of being 42 cup-fire, they are 41 rim-fire. Of course, a "conversion" by Colt, lends itself to legitimacy. "Modified" by who knows who is totally different. There seems to be enough of these around that I wonder if some arrangement was made between M & B and ? to produce these. I suppose by now, it's anybody's conjecture. ?????
 
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As I am sure you are aware, Merwin and Bray was a business that Joseph Merwin went into with Edward Bray before his later Merwin Hulbert company. It was one of many companies trying to get around the White patent for bored through cylinders. The Cupfire system of ammunition was an interesting way to get around the White patent.

Once rimfire ammunition became practical and plentiful, the Cup Fire ammunition rapidly became obsolete. The actual bullet diameter of the 42 Cupfire cartridges was about .390, so modification to 41 Rimfire would have been relatively easy.

The best book available on Conversion revolvers is A Study of Colt Conversions and Other Percussion Revolvers by R. Bruce McDowell. Published in 1997, it is unfortunately out of print now. I don't remember what I paid for my copy, but it was quite a lot. This book is primarily concerned with the conversion revolvers made by Remington and Colt, but there is a whole chapter on other revolvers trying to get around the White patent. There were quite a few of them, and the Plant revolver marketed by Hulbert and Bray was just one.

There is a chapter at the end of the book describing cartridge conversions by other companies than Remington and Colt. Among the companies listed are Cooper, Rogers and Spencer, Whitney, Starr, Hopkins and Allen (the actual manufacturer of Merwin Hulbert revolvers), and Allen and Wheelock. There is no mention of Hulbert and Bray conversions.

Converting Cap & Ball revolvers to cartridges was a popular cottage industry with many local gunsmiths at the time, in addition to those that were converted by the large companies. It would have been impossible for S&W's attorneys to track down all the patent infringments.

I suspect the Merwin and Bray in question was converted to rimfire by a local gunsmith after rimfire cartridges became practical. Colt most certainly would not have done the work, they were busy manufacturing and promoting their own conversions.
 
Thanks for your reply. Now I have another book to look for! UPDATE: I am now the owner & corrections need to be made. As I was told, 41RF is a perfect fit....BUT. I pulled the lead from a 41RF , chambered it & it went "click". Made a neat little dimple DEAD CENTER!. Next try. Took a 41 long Colt live round. Most of projectile protrudes from other end of cylinder. Pulled the lead. With no projectile, cartridge fits great. Thus, with a 41 long Colt primed casing, I get BANG. Deduction: Conversion must have been to 41 short Colt. Next project. Pull lead out of a few of my 41 long Colt casings, load them with black powder & a wad . Fun blanks! Wouldn't be real gung-ho about shooting live 41 shorts, even if I could find them. Next correction. I was told wrong about Plant's Mfg. marking. IT IS THERE on top of barrel . Merwin & Bray on the side. Tomorrow, with good light, put on my loop & look for marks on cylinder. Cool poker table piece anyhow. Let's see....guess I could trim a few of those cases and....you know the rest! Again, thanks for the info.
 
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