LEO Off duty carry
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That depends. If the park is private property, that'd be correct. If it's public property there's nothing they can do.
I've had my share of hand to hand incidents in the 30 years I spent as an LEO. I'm not a brawler or a bar room fighter. If you think you can appease every jerk by apologizing to him you'll eventually find out you're wrong. Acquiescing to a thug many times means he'll press his issue.
I have had two incidents where I have had to use physical force to defend myself in the past 12 years. Both were unprovoked by me in any form. Both incidents resulted in no injury to me and minor injury to one assailant.
Pepper spray may have helped in one no time to get it out in the other. If I had taken the same attitude as you and considered any physical attack as life threatening and shot my assailant I'd be prison without Internet priveleges. If you're severely handicapped that would be a different story.
Trunk Monkey
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Completely different from a citizen and you know it
I'm not either, no fights in 30 years. Remember?
And when I do find out I'm wrong and he/she/they/it physically assaults me I will respond as though my life is in jeopardy.
You're trying to conflate two very different scenarios. For the third time I've managed to avoid any physical altercations for 30 years (since I got out of the Army). That means I haven't had a minor altercation escalate to a fight. That's not the same as having some "thug" try to assault me.
Some time back, I read a post by some idiot that said if he were walking on the street and detected movement behind him, he would turn, draw his gun and shoot the person behind him, and that he had trained himself to do that automatically without even thinking about it. I inquired as to his location since I don't want to be in the same county as a maniac like that. (I hope he got some real training or quit carrying a gun; that kind does us no good.)
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Okay.
You still don't seem to understand every physical confrontation doesn't call for deadly force in response.
Depending on the circumstances you'll go to jail for a very long time. Just because someone slaps/punches/spits on/pushes/shoves etc, doesn't mean you can shoot them. I really hope you understand that if you carry a weapon.
Trunk Monkey
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I'm begining to think I'm posting in Chinese.
Where are all these random people running around slapping/punching/spitting on/pushing/ shoving at? Because AGAIN I haven't run into one of them in THIRTY YEARS. I'm really curious what I'm not doing that you guys are that even as a security guard (people are way more willing to swing on a guard than they are a cop) I have not had a person attempt in any way to even mildly physically assault me since I got out of the Army.
That said please remember that the person specified that I got knocked on my ass which is not just a slap or a punch or a shove. So again if I ever am physically assaulted (attacked) I am going to treat it as an attempt on my life. If it goes to the point that I'm on the ground I'm going to respond on the assumption that my life is in imminent danger.
Now AGAIN REMEMBERING THAT THIS HASN'T HAPPENED IN THIRTY YEARS. (Is there some part of that you guys aren't grasping?) If some random stranger walks up out of the blue and pops me in the jaw and puts me on my ass then stops cold (which apparently is a frequent occurrence in your world) no I am not going to shoot him. If he/she/they/it continues the attack though I will defend myself as though my life depends on it.
What part of that is so hard for you to understand?
I think you are posting in Chinese. People are assaulted every day. It can and does happen anywhere. There are certainly things you can do to substantially decrease the likelihood of it ever happening to you, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a possibility whenever you go out in public.
If someone slaps you, and then gets in your face and postures up like they're going to slap you again, you're going to shoot?
You might not mean what you wrote the way it sounds to us, but you should be careful what you say doesn't come back to bite you one day.
If someone slaps you, and then gets in your face and postures up like they're going to slap you again, you're going to shoot?
You might not mean what you wrote the way it sounds to us, but you should be careful what you say doesn't come back to bite you one day.
Trunk Monkey
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Being right is really important to you isn't it?
So what are the totality of the circumstances?
Did the guy just materialize out of thin air and take a swing at me?
What time of day is it?
What part of town?
What happened immediately prior?
Does he think I shagged his wife?
Is he pissed because I bought the last box of 9mm?
What's his rationale for attacking me?
Enquiring minds and all that.
Typically off duty, I carry a glock 26 with a streamlight tlr 6 or a glock 17 with a surefire x300 ultra u-b and two magpul 21 gl9 spare mags. I also have an microtech ultra tech otf knife and a leatherman wave along with a Zippo and streamlight flashlight. I carry a pair of paracord flex cuffs also. I'm assigned to a high risk warrants squad so I don't wear a uniform at work and my off duty carry often becomes my on duty carry.
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zignal_zero
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I've worked as a Police Officer, a Correctional Officer (prison not jail), Juvenile Dentention Officer, Extradition Officer, (armed) Security Officer, and probably a few other jobs I can't remember that end in "officer". Oddly, my occupation and my carry rights/habits have always been something I consider separate. Even as a sworn LEO, I maintained a CCW and carried my own weapon on/off duty. Just felt like being armed should never be dependent on my job.
My biggest personal rule (nothing to do with policy)- Never carry a pistol without a flashlight, period. I also like to have a less lethal option available (pepper spray) just because I don't want to have to decide between (1) tusslin with someone better at it than me or (2) being involved in a shoot that isn't quite as clear cut as I'd like it to be. Pepper gives you options, I like options. As for carrying handcuffs around.... Nah, I'm married, cuffs can stay at home
My biggest personal rule (nothing to do with policy)- Never carry a pistol without a flashlight, period. I also like to have a less lethal option available (pepper spray) just because I don't want to have to decide between (1) tusslin with someone better at it than me or (2) being involved in a shoot that isn't quite as clear cut as I'd like it to be. Pepper gives you options, I like options. As for carrying handcuffs around.... Nah, I'm married, cuffs can stay at home
herrwalther
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My biggest personal rule (nothing to do with policy)- Never carry a pistol without a flashlight, period. I also like to have a less lethal option available (pepper spray) just because I don't want to have to decide between (1) tusslin with someone better at it than me or (2) being involved in a shoot that isn't quite as clear cut as I'd like it to be. Pepper gives you options, I like options. As for carrying handcuffs around.... Nah, I'm married, cuffs can stay at home
I have carried a firearm with a light for several years so I agree with you there. I have both OWB and IWB holsters for my weapon with light so I can carry the same weapon to/from work and concealed off duty. I am still occasionally carrying the pepper spray off duty. I like having the option the spray gives me , especially when it comes to wild dogs in my area. I rarely use my cuffs in the jail so I am not going to carry them off duty. Unless or until I become a deputy. I will be getting some zip ties to keep in my car bag though.
strangelittleman
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Very wise advice, based on the hard won lessons of life.
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