DCJS Firearms Training

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I don't know if every state has DCJS training or a variation, but my question is quite simple. Is there any advantage or reason for a CC'er to get the firearms training through DCJS?

The way I read it for VA, you don't have to be seeking out a job opportunity in order to take this training, it seems as if anyone who meets the BG requirements may do so.


I don't want to compare it to a private class focused on SD, but am wondering if it would count for anything should you ever have to defend yourself as a civilian.
 
It looks like the training is for armed security officers. I don't see how it can hurt, but I'd check out the schools and instructors just like I would private sector training. There will likely be some schools that are "check the block" operations and probably some that take it more seriously.

Because a curriculum is approved by a state regulatory agency doesn't mean it's the best training available.

While I had some very good training in the Army and in LE after I retired from the Army, I also had a lot of "check the box" training.

By and far the best training I had was training I sought out in the private sector.
 
^^ It might. Or, it might not. Truth is, it all depends on the shoot itself, and in whose hands the review on it falls. Plenty of untrained law-abiding carriers have prevailed legally after a defensive shooting, and plenty of trained LEOs have been hung out to dry after one.

It wouldn't hurt, but I wouldn't seek it out for that purpose. If there's some good tactics and strategy that could be gleaned from such a course, that's where your benefit will be.
 
All of the training in the world isn't going to save you if it was a bad shoot. In fact it could work against you. Imagine how a jury is going to react when your instructor takes the stand and says that wasn't how you were trained.

A wall full of diplomas from all of the shooting schools you can name isn't going to protect you if the circumstances of the use of deadly force weren't right.

Several years back the owner of a local farm service company caught three people in his fenced in business lot stealing anhydrous ammonia to cook meth with. He was armed with a 12 gauge shotgun and when he confronted them, they ran. He shot and wounded two of them.

NO CHARGES WERE FILED!

A couple nights later several of us were sitting around the break room at the PD discussing the case. We concluded (correctly after talking with the state's attorney) that none of us could have done that even off duty on our own property without being charged. Why?

Because we were trained and experienced and he expected more from us. We were expected to know better.

Now the backstory is that the state's attorney wanted to send a message that it might not be safe to steal anhydrous. No one was killed so he thought it would be a good case to send a message. But it was in no way, shape or form a legal use of force under Illinois law.

I wonder if the state's attorney would have felt it was a good case to send a message to the meth cooks if the businessman had formal training?
 
Thanks for the replies.


So as a civilian, credentials don't really matter even in a "good shoot". That's what I was getting at, whether it made a difference or not.

Whether or not you were endorsed by the state or a Mag40 student wouldn't really matter as a civilian in court. Gotcha.
 
Whether or not you were endorsed by the state or a Mag40 student wouldn't really matter as a civilian in court.

It all depends on the circumstances of the use of deadly force. And if your instructor is willing to testify to how you were trained, why you were trained to take the action you did and that you acted the way you were trained, it can mean the difference between prison and freedom or winning or losing the civil suit.

That your training was relevant and an accepted response to an attack and that your actions were in accordance with that training can make a huge difference.

But the mere fact that you completed the training is meaningless and can work against you if your actions weren't consistent with how you were trained.
 
I am a NYS D.OJ. Armed security guard instructor and I heartily recommend taking such a class for the knowledge that will be gained.
( In NY it is 40 hours of class/ range and 7 hours on the legal aspects to use of force)
Even if you are a good shooter the legal aspects that are covered as well as tactical considerations make such a class worthwhile for any gun owner.
I follow the excellent 40 page state outline to the letter but I have audited other instructor's courses and am sad to say that many cut corners and do not teach all of the required curriculum.
While nothing will legally protect you from a bad shoot the knowledge gained from such a class may prevent you from ever getting into any shooting situations-- good or bad.
 
I think it comes down to the instructors. The course outline(s) look good. So, if you do some research and the instructors are sound and the price is good, take it. If not (they are just going through the motions to certify folks), then put that time and $ towards a private course.
 
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