The House passed a bill today to make home-state CC permits honored in all other states.
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Hokie_PhD
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Don't count on it. Drivers licenses still have different requirements in each state.
Also the bill still has to pass in the Senate and then be signed by the president.
If it was combined with Fix NCIS it needs to be vetoed
Also the bill still has to pass in the Senate and then be signed by the president.
If it was combined with Fix NCIS it needs to be vetoed
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It's not likely to pass in the Senate where it'll need 60 votes to bypass the filibuster.
tark
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Quite right, and Chucky Cheese and and The Bay Area Witch have already said that they will filibuster it to death.
gbran
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I too have doubts about it's chances in the senate, not likely but possible. What really interests me is how jurisdictions like NYC, CA, DC, etc. would react to this law.
mljdeckard
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Before the Vegas killing I would have called it 50/50. Now I really don't know.
AlexanderA
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Not a chance. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Actually not.
The measure concerns solely traveling through or visiting a given state or several states, with the permit holder returning to his state of residence.
Should a citizen become a resident of a new state, he’d be required to obtain a license or permit pursuant to his new state’s laws.
And as already correctly noted: the measure has no chance of being signed into law.
Hokie_PhD
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It’s ridiculous that we’re even having this discussion.
To me it shows how pathetic we’ve become and how we’ve let politicians take away our Constitutional rights, freedom and liberty.
The more I think about this the more offended I am that we’ve let CA, DC, NY etc INDRINGE on a right that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Worse we’ve let them stack a Supreme Court that won’t hear cases to resolve this injustice.
All of this sounds like tyrany to me, and the exact reason the 2nd Amendment was written.
This isn’t a states rights issue, but rather an issue of how tyrants have chipped away at our rights and how we’ve been conditioned to accept it. It’s a case I’d hiw Crying Chuck and Nasty Nancy keep lying to advance the elimination of our rights.
I’m not sure what we need to do. But I’m petrified about what’s coming in Va. if the remaining contested districts go Dem.
I guess this has now hit way too close to home and it’s no longer Ca, NY, DC etc and their insanity from afar, but the cancer hitting home now.
I want HR 38 but fix NiCS and more restrictions in return for a bone isn’t the right direction.
/RANT
To me it shows how pathetic we’ve become and how we’ve let politicians take away our Constitutional rights, freedom and liberty.
The more I think about this the more offended I am that we’ve let CA, DC, NY etc INDRINGE on a right that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Worse we’ve let them stack a Supreme Court that won’t hear cases to resolve this injustice.
All of this sounds like tyrany to me, and the exact reason the 2nd Amendment was written.
This isn’t a states rights issue, but rather an issue of how tyrants have chipped away at our rights and how we’ve been conditioned to accept it. It’s a case I’d hiw Crying Chuck and Nasty Nancy keep lying to advance the elimination of our rights.
I’m not sure what we need to do. But I’m petrified about what’s coming in Va. if the remaining contested districts go Dem.
I guess this has now hit way too close to home and it’s no longer Ca, NY, DC etc and their insanity from afar, but the cancer hitting home now.
I want HR 38 but fix NiCS and more restrictions in return for a bone isn’t the right direction.
/RANT
AlexanderA
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It is, however, a great vehicle for NRA fundraising. The idea is, like Lucy with the football in "Peanuts," to put something out there and snatch it away.
Virginia already has the "Uniform Machine Gun Act" (state registration) on the books. It would be an easy matter for a Democratic-controlled legislature to amend that Act so as to include semiautomatic "assault weapons." Besides having to register the guns with the State Police, you couldn't take them off your premises without having them deemed possessed for an "offensive purpose."
I have noticed that those opposed to this bill ( the politicians ) keep sighting public safety as their main reason it should not be passed.
They raise concerns that the individual states have laws that are put in place to protect the public safety and the laws of say my state are not sufficient to protect the public safety of the states I am going to drive through or visit. I don`t get that idea. It seems to be a straw man argument. Does anyone else think this?
Never say never.
They raise concerns that the individual states have laws that are put in place to protect the public safety and the laws of say my state are not sufficient to protect the public safety of the states I am going to drive through or visit. I don`t get that idea. It seems to be a straw man argument. Does anyone else think this?
Never say never.
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JTHunter
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Unfortunately, H.R. 38 has been combined with the "Fix NICS" bill which has serious flaws in it. The fact that the likes of Feinstein and Pelosi are in FAVOR of this PoS should warn you off of it.
AlexanderA
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Feinstein and Pelosi are in favor of Fix NICS but I guarantee you they would not vote for national carry reciprocity under any circumstances. "Sweetening the pot" with a combined bill is a fool's errand. If anything, the opposite is true -- combining both parts into one bill is a sure way to kill all of it.
The full text of H.R. 38 as passed by the House and now being considered by the Senate Judiciary Committee is available for reading at Congress.gov. Note that it has two parts: Title I is the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017, which was originally introduced as H.R. 38.
Title II is the Fix NICS Act, which was originally introduced as H.R. 4277.
A few of the Republicans in the House who voted against this version of H.R. did so specifically because of the Fix NICS Act.
Title II is the Fix NICS Act, which was originally introduced as H.R. 4277.
A few of the Republicans in the House who voted against this version of H.R. did so specifically because of the Fix NICS Act.
CapnMac
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All of this is a muddle. There is a Senate version of this (tainted with the Schumer/Feinstein FixNICS poison pill) and there is a House version (which is generally untainted).
The House version will be opposed in the Senate by a landslide (remember that, in the Senate, we area 46-48 to 52-54 minority).
The House will have to reject the Senate's version due to the poison pill, and in a greater than partisan vote, as pro-gun Ds have to also vote against it.
The whole reciprocity bill process was (and probably will remain to be) fraught with issues.
First off, how do you draft the thing? To you draft it to the most restrictive State rules; or to the most lenient? The latter just causes it to challenged in all the States with more strict rules. The latter is rather pointless (and gets you excoriated by the hard-line progun types for that pointlessness). You cannot create a law which forces States to go against their own enacted laws, or they will, rightly, invoke the 9th & 10th Amendments. We also do not want the Feds appointing any Bureaus or Departments to establish rules for national concealed carry--what they can allow they can also deny.
The House version will be opposed in the Senate by a landslide (remember that, in the Senate, we area 46-48 to 52-54 minority).
The House will have to reject the Senate's version due to the poison pill, and in a greater than partisan vote, as pro-gun Ds have to also vote against it.
The whole reciprocity bill process was (and probably will remain to be) fraught with issues.
First off, how do you draft the thing? To you draft it to the most restrictive State rules; or to the most lenient? The latter just causes it to challenged in all the States with more strict rules. The latter is rather pointless (and gets you excoriated by the hard-line progun types for that pointlessness). You cannot create a law which forces States to go against their own enacted laws, or they will, rightly, invoke the 9th & 10th Amendments. We also do not want the Feds appointing any Bureaus or Departments to establish rules for national concealed carry--what they can allow they can also deny.
As it stands now as a Wisconsin resident with a concealed carry permit I can drive to anyplace I want to go without going through any state that does not have reciprocity. if I get an Arizona non resident permit that opens up a few more states. Whats not to like about that?
The fed can keep their bill.
The fed can keep their bill.
Sorry, CapnMac, but the version of H.R. 38 as passed in the House and now being considered in the Senate is no longer "untainted." See my post above with link to Congress.gov; the current H.R. 38 has Concealed Carry Reciprocity as Title I and Fix NICS as Title II.
For those keeping score, NRA and NSSF are both supporting Fix NICS, while GOA is adamantly opposed to the provisions of Fix NICS.
CapnMac
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Dang it, I hate when that happens.
I'm hugely unhappy to see NRA backing anything so enthusiastically backed by Schumer/Feinstein.
The "Fix" in FixNICS is to allow administrators in VA, SSA and the like to just dump, without due process, names into NICS. Zero responsibility upon those administrators for errors, either. Bill claims to "correct" mental health reporting to NICS, but not by making the officials responsible to accuracy or timeliness, but by being able to just dump more names in.
None of that is good for our side. And not worth whatever watered down National Reciprocity is enacted, either. Really, the Senate is not going to approve anything that actually changes the status quo. So, we'll be legal to carry, but only if we lock the arm in the trunk with ammo separate. Just too many antiss (R & D alike) in the Senate.
I'm hugely unhappy to see NRA backing anything so enthusiastically backed by Schumer/Feinstein.
The "Fix" in FixNICS is to allow administrators in VA, SSA and the like to just dump, without due process, names into NICS. Zero responsibility upon those administrators for errors, either. Bill claims to "correct" mental health reporting to NICS, but not by making the officials responsible to accuracy or timeliness, but by being able to just dump more names in.
None of that is good for our side. And not worth whatever watered down National Reciprocity is enacted, either. Really, the Senate is not going to approve anything that actually changes the status quo. So, we'll be legal to carry, but only if we lock the arm in the trunk with ammo separate. Just too many antiss (R & D alike) in the Senate.
CoalTrain49
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HR 38 is a mess. It wants to appropriate money to fix something (NICS) that can't be fixed. It also wants to force states to do something they don't want to do, or have to do without a federal court ruling. How is that possibly going to get thru the senate? Some GOP senators are going to vote against it because it's an appropriations bill and all of the dems are going to vote against it because it's a pro gun bill. The bill will be lucky to get 40 votes in the senate. Fix NICS was added to insure it's demise in the senate. DOA.
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