.380 Review On Federal's Website

sounds like nothing some meth or cocaine couldn't alleviate for a few hours. even 20 mg of perc. better stick to bigger calibers.

BigBore45 said:

sounds like nothing some meth or cocaine couldn't alleviate for a few hours. even 20 mg of perc. better stick to bigger calibers.

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The .380 is popular because it is easy to carry and easy to conceal. Most .380 SD platforms also fit even the smallest of legal aged hands and are easily controlled when shot. It also is a caliber and platform that does not generally intimidate even the less experienced shooters. Better to have it than nuttin' at all or something one can't handle. Most of the time when a .380 fails, it is not the round or the platform fault, but the fault of the shooter.

1) Hilarious.
2) Yet another incident in which someone was "dropped" with an injury that the narrow-view Facklerites would likely say was "non-critical." People get dropped in fights all the time by getting punched in the solar plexus... even though the "crushed tissue path" of a gut punch is usually zero.

buck460XVR said:

The .380 is popular because it is easy to carry and easy to conceal. Most .380 SD platforms also fit even the smallest of legal aged hands and are easily controlled when shot. It also is a caliber and platform that does not generally intimidate even the less experienced shooters. Better to have it than nuttin' at all or something one can't handle. Most of the time when a .380 fails, it is not the round or the platform fault, but the fault of the shooter.

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I carry an lcp during the summer. I have no doubt that one to the head will work. However i believe that it is no better than standard 22mag out of a pistol minus less rnd capacity

Here is the deal. In Kansas anyth8ng center fire is legal for deer. A 380 out of a rifle carbine will not drt a deer unless it's a head shot. Given whitetail does are 150lbs and have fur and skin equivant to a man with a good jacket. There is no way that round is capable of good stop "drt" hits unless head shots happen. That is without drugs involved even. It is not powerful at all and does not have velocity to grant positive expansion. Better than no gun at all, yes. Weak and under powder, yes. Get something bigger unless you can hit a 4"x4" circle moving under distress.

I'd encourage anyone to go hunting with smaller pistol calibers, it will not be unethical if you make boiler room shots, however the impact, reaction and time till death will be a great eye opener.

Well...At least he's honest about it.

Look up the Coates/Blackburn LEO shooting.

Blackburn (purp) absorbed five .357 magnum Silver Tips center mass (no vitals hit though). Still alive and well today in prison.

Coates (LEO) took a single .22 round from Blackburn's mini revolver. Went up under his vest and into his aorta. Dead in seconds.

Shot placement is EVERYTHING kids.

We had the same thing happen in my agency. Officer had a young perp up again a wall and about to check him for weapons. Kid swung around and shot him once with a .22. Our guy emptied all five rounds from a Chief .38Spl. into the kid. Kid lived, he died.

Don't know if that shooting had anything to do with it, but I sent a formal letter to our administration requesting an upgrade to larger capacity 9mm's right after the shooting. Got a letter from the Chief thanking me for my interest and never heard another thing.

Wasn't long after we transitioned to Glocks.

27 years and counting in Southern California LE. I've seen one shot stops from all sorts of "mouse guns," and half-dozen torso hits from even the "magical" over .40 calibers fail to end a gunfight quickly.

As was posted earlier bullet style, velocity, expansion, penetration and kinetic energy are all great to have on your side, but when you get right down to what matters it is all about the placement of the fired rounds that really count.

Stay safe!

Cooldill said:

Look up the Coates/Blackburn LEO shooting.

Blackburn (purp) absorbed five .357 magnum Silver Tips center mass (no vitals hit though). Still alive and well today in prison.

Coates (LEO) took a single .22 round from Blackburn's mini revolver. Went up under his vest and into his aorta. Dead in seconds.

Shot placement is EVERYTHING kids.

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they were .38 +Ps (even though the original In The Line of Duty video said 357 Mag they later corrected to say .38s) I don't think the caliber would have made the difference but your original point is valid

Bill

Shimitup said:

Researching ammo for my pocket gun and ran across this review on Federal's website, took a screenshot of it.. Brilliant! I'd love to hear how he managed this.
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I've read this guy's story in the comments section of several Youtube videos. The long version is better, and makes more sense. He's lucky, that's for sure.

I actually commend him for sharing his story as a warning that accidents happen in the blink of an eye.

BigBore45 said:

Here is the deal. In Kansas anyth8ng center fire is legal for deer. A 380 out of a rifle carbine will not drt a deer unless it's a head shot.

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Neither will a 45acp or 00 buckshot.

I have to be honest, the only DRT shot I've seen in person on deer that didn't involve a brain or spine shot was with a 300 mag from about 15 feet out of blind. heck, my buddy put a hole right through a deer's heart with a lever 45-70 a few years ago, and the thing still ran about 100 feet before it took a nap.

While a 9mm center mass with good expansion is going to cause someone to bleed out faster than a 380, it's still not going to turn their lights out like a switch in most scenarios without multiple shots. There are tons of videos out there that demonstrate this.

Dropped 2 DRT.....Flintlock smoothbore patch, round ball........fell over dead lung shot..... have seen them drop from a .45acp also. IMO, has to do with the inhale /exhale quotant.

That review is worth what we all paid for it...

Does Federal verify reviews?

I've seen the same pistol and rifle loads do different things to different people. The human body's resilience and fighting spirit are often immeasurable and incomparable. That and with gun shot wounds, millimeters difference in shot placement make a world of difference even when someone will try to compare two very similar shootings.

Anyway, now I'm thinking about having some fun with ammo reviews!

Bigmike79 said:

Neither will a 45acp or 00 buckshot.

I have to be honest, the only DRT shot I've seen in person on deer that didn't involve a brain or spine shot was with a 300 mag from about 15 feet out of blind. heck, my buddy put a hole right through a deer's heart with a lever 45-70 a few years ago, and the thing still ran about 100 feet before it took a nap.

While a 9mm center mass with good expansion is going to cause someone to bleed out faster than a 380, it's still not going to turn their lights out like a switch in most scenarios without multiple shots. There are tons of videos out there that demonstrate this.

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I have seen 45 acp do this to deer along with 45 colt at ruger only loads. Tried a 9mm it didn't stack up to the bigger calibers, no matter what they say. I'd like to think that inside 25 feet double 00 buck would drt just about anything remotely close. I assure you the double 00 buck was what happen in that review instead of .380 he wouldn't of been able to make a review.

BigBore45 said:

I have seen 45 acp do this to deer along with 45 colt at ruger only loads. Tried a 9mm it didn't stack up to the bigger calibers, no matter what they say. I'd like to think that inside 25 feet double 00 buck would drt just about anything remotely close.

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When I say that 00 buck won't reliably DRT a deer without a brain or spine hit, I'm talking about typical shotgun hunting ranges (25-50 yards).

Even at point blank range, 00 buck or even a slug still won't reliably flaten a deer right where it stands without a cns hit most of the time. The only thing that reliably drops big game right in their tracks other than a cns hit is massive hydrostatic shock, and shotguns don't produce the type of velocity required to turn an animal's lights out the way a high powered rifle will. If you shoot a buck even from point-blank range with a shotgun slug or Buckshot, it will still go on a death run most the time.

"Word of advice though double tap."

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