870 Remington?

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I just bought a 870 TC Trap I know their are TB Trap Remington but didn't know about TC the wood is butiful, I also bought a 870 Remington 3" mag back in 1966 used it fer ducks and geese.
does anybody know if the guns are the same inside? I'm so confused
 
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TC is a standard 870 with a 2 3/4" chamber, beautiful wood were put on these guns. Most are shot many tens of thousands of rounds by dedicated trap shooters, think 15-20 thousand rounds a year for years on end. Wingmaster 870s get a bit more TLC before they leave the factory, I would guess that the TB and TC guns get just a bit more polish and care but they are pretty much all the same internally. The trap gun will shoot a bit higher on pattern boards as they are set up for trap shooting. It should be a fine gun if it isn't too worn out, worn out is usually in excess of 200,000 rounds for most 870's.
 
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TC is a standard 870 with a 2 3/4" chamber, beautiful wood were put on these guns. Most are shot many tens of thousands of rounds by dedicated trap shooters, think 15-20 thousand rounds a year for years on end. Wingmaster 870s get a bit more TLC before they leave the factory, I would guess that the TB and TC guns get just a bit more polish and care but they are pretty much all the same internally. The trap gun will shoot a bit higher on pattern boards as they are set up for trap shooting. It should be a fine gun if it isn't too worn out, worn out is usually in excess of 200,000 rounds for most 870's.
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You said it all, kudu!
 
If it was a dedicated trap gun the magazine may have never of been used, trap is a one shot game, a shell would just be dropped into the chamber and the slide closed for the shot. Wear on the mag feed may be non-existent. The slide rails would be more of an indicator of heavy use if they are well polished and possibly where the forearm may rub the barrel if there was any slop.
 
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Trap also has doubles. A pump gun wouldn't be my first choice for doubles, though.
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If one knows how to operate a pump/slide action there is no problem. You are probably into a semi-auto or an O/U.

Hunted birds and shot skeet for years with an 870 and a Win Model 12. It is a no-brainer if you are used to it.

Jim
 
It would be unlikely that a dedicated trap shooter would use an 870 for trap doubles, but not unheard of. I use them regularly for skeet and will still run them as many times as with my O/U or one of my autoloaders.

Regardless, oldcoot, you should have a fine shotgun.
 
kudu said:
If it was a dedicated trap gun the magazine may have never of been used, trap is a one shot game, a shell would just be dropped into the chamber and the slide closed for the shot. Wear on the mag feed may be non-existent. The slide rails would be more of an indicator of heavy use if they are well polished and possibly where the forearm may rub the barrel if there was any slop.
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Kudu, I must disagree on this point (bolded). In order to even load the 870 the slide would have to be moved to the rear, a shell inserted upon the shell carrier, and the slide moved forward. That is one stroke of the mechanism. When ejecting the empty, the slide would have to be moved to the rear and the same process repeats itself, over and over again. And a well wear-polished set of slide rails is not a bad thing on an 870.

I agree with your assertion about wear on the mag feed in this situation, but what is to wear? Maybe the shell stops won't have been actuated, and maybe the inner mag tube won't show any scuffing.

That is a very minor consideration.

I have shot trap doubles with an 870 long ago, and while most trapshooters disdain that, using semi-autos or O/U's seem preferable to them.

If the 870 is slick it is easy enough to do if you are very well versed with the gun and are comfortable with the action.

Trap is basically about shooting rising targets in front of you, even with doubles. It is all about point shooting with very little leading the targets, and the second clay will be dropping so you must shoot under it.

Go to a skeet range and ask the puller to pull doubles while you are on station #8 facing the high house. You will definitely have to move the gun while racking in the second shell, with both eyes open to acquire the low house bird!

To me, trap is boring. Skeet is all about bird hunting practice.

Jim
 
Fleetman said:
My dad insisted I learn skeet with a 870.....I sure am glad he did!
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Bless your Dad's mindset. He was either trying to teach you the nuances of a pump shotgun or was training you to hunt birds with one. Neither reason is bad.

Kudos to your Dad, sir!

Jim
 
IMG_0603.JPG Thank you and he was teaching me both. Once at the Ft Leavenworth range, a "gentleman" told me I would shoot better if my dad would buy me a "real" shotgun (his an O/U)......I heard him ask and was told a 13; I already knew I shot 21. I guess I could have loaned him mine.....
 
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Kudu, I must disagree on this point (bolded). In order to even load the 870 the slide would have to be moved to the rear, a shell inserted upon the shell carrier, and the slide moved forward. That is one stroke of the mechanism. When ejecting the empty, the slide would have to be moved to the rear and the same process repeats itself, over and over again. And a well wear-polished set of slide rails is not a bad thing on an 870.

I agree with your assertion about wear on the mag feed in this situation, but what is to wear? Maybe the shell stops won't have been actuated, and maybe the inner mag tube won't show any scuffing.

That is a very minor consideration.

I have shot trap doubles with an 870 long ago, and while most trapshooters disdain that, using semi-autos or O/U's seem preferable to them.

If the 870 is slick it is easy enough to do if you are very well versed with the gun and are comfortable with the action.

Trap is basically about shooting rising targets in front of you, even with doubles. It is all about point shooting with very little leading the targets, and the second clay will be dropping so you must shoot under it.

Go to a skeet range and ask the puller to pull doubles while you are on station #8 facing the high house. You will definitely have to move the gun while racking in the second shell, with both eyes open to acquire the low house bird!

To me, trap is boring. Skeet is all about bird hunting practice.

Jim
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Shell stops are not worn on the 870 from the shells, but from the rails, so there really is no way to tell magazine use by that method. The shell stops wear whether there are shells in the mag or not, and the part of it worn on the slide will wear long before you'd see any wear from the hull rims, since they are made from brass or aluminum anyway. I've replaced many 870 and 1100 shell stops, none of them worn were they contact the shells themselves.
 
My brother and I each bought trap grade 870s in 1972, mine a 30" full choke straight comb TB, his a Monte Carlo, 30" modified trap. Differences, besides grade of wood were cut checkering and honed action on the TC. I now have both. My B has well over a quarter million rounds through it and has had about everything but the stock and barrel replaced. I'm trying to get used to his mc stock so I can "catch it up". For twenty or more years my B was my only shotgun since I'm sure I accelerated the wear and tear as I hunted everything with it shooting short magnums, slugs and heavy field loads.
Great guns, so much loved by my boys and I that they each have one and I have two spares built up with Classic Trap wood. I also use mine for doubles and skeet. I think there are about a half-dozen extra barrels in the vault. An express is behind the door for social purposes.
 
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When one of the action bars broke on Tibbie, I bought a new assembly. Tight. Rough. I polished off all the finish from the bars, dyekemmed them up, ran them back and forth a few dozen times and then stoned down the high spots that showed up. A dozen repeats later I had a for end assembly that would drop open by itself when the gun was pointed vertically and the release tab pressed, just like it did before it broke. Faster than shooting a hundred k rounds through it.
 
I shoot my first 25-25 at trap in the middle 60,s with a 870TC. the nice thing about Remington 870-1100,s is you can buy every part on the internet except the receiver to rebuild them and if you have a IQ of 50 you can do it. I have a good friend who has shot well over 80,000 shells thru a 1100 TC and has rebuilt it once from the ground up. rudy echen shot two 100-100 straight doubles with a 870 Remington. the Remington is up to it if you are.
 
Love both the 870 Wingmaster and the 1100 models...my 870 is my go-to HD shotgun, and my trap 1100 is sure a smooth operator!
 
My wonderful wife of fifty two years has often asked me if I wanted a Kolar, Beretta, Perazzi or whatever my friends have gotten lately. "If you want it, you can have it. Good grief, the kids are grown, everything is paid off and the IRAs are good". I smile and tell her that at seventy some plus, I don't think my old body can grow around something new. I'll keep shooting my 1972 870 TB which has let me maintain a 95+% lifetime average. Any doubt that I will keep both.
 
For my herd, I have about ten 870/11-48/1100 total and all are smooth as butter (well, the recoil-op is as smooth as spackle.....maybe!).

Years ago when shooting skeet every week (Military bases back in the 60's all had ranges.....least the ones we were stationed at), I strayed for a while and used a Ithaca 37, 12 and I must admit the Ithacas I have are smooth (M37-12, 20-Deerslayer, and a Mag-10). However, the 870's would get the love in the end! I have an orgy of O/U's but shooting skeet, IMO, is an 870 game!

IMO, the 870's will remain in history, not at all unlike 1911's, DA revolvers, AR/AK's, doubles, etc, etc!
 
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