Help me pick new range toy!

The Kel-Tec because it’s cute. There you go.

If you want to skip to the portion that matters, start at the 20:00 minute mark. I’d love to own one and a PMR to match but just cannot stomach problematic firearms.

Given a $900 budget, for a range toy, between these two I would pick.............a GI M1 Carbine.


But, if it must be one of those, Beretta all the way bro.

not on your list but http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/m1-garand/

If your concerns are reliability and durability, than the Beretta is the clear choice. But you also said range toy, and the CMR seems like it would be a blast at the range.

I vote CMR.

Neither are my thing but of the two it would be the Beretta. The PMR-30 had problems when it came out and so does the CMR-30. 22 mag always seems to function poorly in semi auto, it's long, skinny and rimmed, none of which seem like positive attributes in an auto. Besides, what is 30 rounds of 22 mag gonna do in either a carbine or a pistol that 15 or 20 rounds (or more) of 9mm isn't? And the 9mm is gonna work... I'd consider getting a pistol cal carbine...

For that kind of money the CZ Scorpion EVO would be what I'd be looking at.

Since your main concern is reliability and longevity i would go with the Beretta. I'm not saying the Kel-Tec is a bad gun, only the Beretta has a much better reputation.

KYamateur said:

Where can you find a nice one for $900?

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I would agree on the M1 carbine. The original fun gun and a historical arm as well. I love mine.

To find one under $900 work the gun shows, especially the "smaller" shows, say 200 tables or less. Those shows tend to have a higher percentage of small volume, part time dealers that may have lower prices or be more willing to deal.

IronHand

The CMR-30 never really interested me... but I do like the PMR-30 for 30 rounds of .22 mag in such a light weight handgun.

I would put up a Ruger PC-9 for consideration. I can reload 9mm for cheaper than I can buy decent .22 mag which means lots of inexpensive range time. A 10/22 is a lot cheaper to shoot than a CMR-30 and has all sorts of options for pimping out.

My .30 carbine is one of my favorite guns and a REALLY nice SMOOTH shooter! The M1 carbine is so smooth because it is gas operated instead of blow back operated like most PCC's. I haven't seen cheap .30 carbine ammo in MANY years and .30 carbine brass costs three of four times what once fired 9mm brass costs me.

ArchAngelCD said:

Since your main concern is reliability and longevity i would go with the Beretta. I'm not saying the Kel-Tec is a bad gun, only the Beretta has a much better reputation.

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Beretta, IF you value reliability and dependability. I have never had a jam, FTF, or FTE with any of my 4 Berettas. I have a PMR30, and it's a fun range toy, but a bit too finicky
to depend upon, in a pickle. It's jammed a number of times, FTFs, FTEs, and stovepipes.

I made a huge mistake a few years back when CMP had M1 Carbines for sale and spare original mags. I neighbouring it off because there was always another bill at home and then they were gone!!! IDIOT I am.

KYamateur said:

Where can you find a nice one for $900?

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http://www.armslist.com/posts/85153...cky-rifles-for-sale--saginaw-s-g--m1-carbine-
Here's a guy in Bowling green with one for $800.

I see then pop up on Armslist in the $650-900 range pretty regularly. GI guns are best, but Universals and Plainfield's are good fun shooters too which can usually be had a bit cheaper. My kids love 'em!

Good luck!