Lil'Gun load data discrepancy?

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labnoti

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I saw in Hodgdon load data (on their website), starting loads for .357 Magnum, Lil' Gun, 158 gr. Hornady XTP are 16.0 grains, and velocity with 10" test barrel is 1504 fps.

In Barnes data (on their website) for 140 gr. XPB, the maximum load of Lil' Gun is only 15.0 grains and velocity is 1669 fps in a 10" test barrel.

So what I'm concerned about here is Barnes says 15.0 is max load for a 140 gr. bullet where Hodgdon is saying to start at 16.0 grains for 158 gr. bullet.

The two things I can think of that could be different are the start pressure and the bullet length. Both data sources specify OAL of 1.580", but the solid-copper 140 gr. XPB is slightly longer than the lead-core 158 gr. XTP. Theoretically, the start pressure of a solid copper bullet should be higher also, but in Quickload both bullets are specified with the same start pressure. I imagine a real difference in start pressure starts to matter with thin-plated or soft-cast bullets. So it must just be the length of the bullet. Using Quickload, there can be seen big differences in pressure with seating depth, but primarily with short cases (and not in Quickload but with rifles due to seating on the lands). In long cases in a revolver, there should be less sensitivity to small changes in seating depth. Besides that, it seems the listed pressures are low (Hodgdon's maximum is only 25,800 CUP). So maybe it just has to do with how much the Lil'Gun will be compressed.
 
Copper has more drag than gilding metal jackets. Solid copper is harder than a cup and core bullet.

There are some big differences here and it's a good example of why you use data from the bullet manufacturer for that specific bullet.
 
Two different composition bullets with different coefficients of friction in different weights used with two different lots of propellant in two different barrels. That right there is a LOT of differences that have to be accounted for let alone the length of said projectiles/usable volume within the case. It is good of the manufacturers to take the trouble to at least work up some safe sane loads for the reloader to work with. Saves lots of experimenting or otherwise unsafe things.
Changing from one brand of jacketed lead projectile to another is not such a big deal as long as the length of the bullet is almost the same. Hollow points and FMJ are different due to projectile length and case volume differences as well.
 
As others have stated, solid copper bullets are radically different in terms of loading for them. While one can sometimes extrapolate from one JHP to another (though this also carries some risks, and should be done with care and attention to seating depth and other characteristics), there's just no way to compare monolithic copper projectile data to lead-cored data. Totally different animals.
 
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