IMO the game laws dictate what is ethical. Many hunters feel the need to cheat, and some say if you aren't cheating you aren't trying. I like it when they get caught. Too bad it doesn't happen more often.
Everything you are complaining about relates to legality, not ethics. They are two different things.^^^I agree. Just yesterday at my wife's family Christmas, bunch of us "guys" were talking ice fishing. I asked my BIL(married to her sister) if there was still a slot size on Walleyes on the lake he fished/had their lake home on. He said yes there was, but he generally went by "Ice House Regs". When I asked him what that was he said, once you get them to your ice house and cook them up, they are within the slot. He then went on to say how folks like him and the rest of the locals that pay the taxes on their lake homes deserve to be able to take whatever they want. This is the mindset I get from many folks. I know of a few guys that are excellent hunters, still they feel that sneaking onto private property they don't have permission to hunt, or taking home something outta season or taken by means other than legal, just makes the hunt just that much more special. On more than one occasion, I had to excuse myself from a hunt/fishing trip because of the knowledge that those folks were going to be there. I was not afraid to let others know why. Turning one's head and letting others get away with that kind of crap is, IMHO, about as unethical as one can get.
Everything you are complaining about relates to legality, not ethics. They are two different things.
What does ethics have to do with hunting?
While hunting laws preserve wildlife, ethics preserve the hunter’s opportunity to hunt. Because ethics generally govern behavior that affects public opinion of hunters, ethical behavior ensures that hunters are welcome and hunting areas stay open.
Ethics generally cover behavior that has to do with issues of fairness, respect, and responsibility not covered by laws. For instance, it’s not illegal to be rude to a landowner when hunting on his or her property or to be careless and fail to close a pasture gate after opening it, but most hunters agree that discourteous and irresponsible behavior is unethical.
Then there are ethical issues that are just between the hunter and nature. For example, an animal appears beyond a hunter’s effective range for a clean kill. Should the hunter take the shot anyway and hope to get lucky? Ethical hunters would say no.
The legal thing. Notify the DNR, and follow their directions. Quite frankly, I'd follow the Sgt. Schultz approach.One major quandary many law abiding, ethical hunters encounter. You come across a deer badly wounded, and doubt it can ever recover, but do not have the proper tag or weapon need to make it a legal kill. You do not have cell phone coverage in the area and going back to the truck to alert authorities will mean hours till the animal's suffering can be diminished, even if the animal is there when you get back. Do you do the ethical thing or the legal thing.
That's not what I said.I agree with entropy. What does ethics have to do with hunting? And what are the ethics, anyway? Assuming you consume the meat, any type of proficient hunting is more “ethical” than the slaughterhouse. But bottom line, deer rate a better fate than cattle? On what basis?
If they are going to eat the birds , I see it as know different than buying turkey at the grocery store , it's just a way more expensive .
Coworker did a vid of a boar hunt..........it was .................different.
Found another video somebody else posted of the same place...........same field...........
Coworker did a vid of a boar hunt..........it was .................different.
Found another video somebody else posted of the same place...........same field...........
Didn’t mean to suggest it was. I should have separated the two thoughts better. I meant I agreed with you and also believed the rest, not that it was what you said. Sorry for the confusion. See my edit.That's not what I said.
Making the choice to ignore hunting and fishing regs and property boundaries, is part of one's personal ethics. Ethics has often been described as doing the right thing, even when no-one else is around. Many folks claim, it ain't illegal unless you get caught. Pretty much an ethics thing to me. Being oblivious to others breaking fish and game regs is also a choice we make based on our ethics.
This from one of the booklets we use at the hunter safety course I help with........
One major quandary many law abiding, ethical hunters encounter. You come across a deer badly wounded, and doubt it can ever recover, but do not have the proper tag or weapon need to make it a legal kill. You do not have cell phone coverage in the area and going back to the truck to alert authorities will mean hours till the animal's suffering can be diminished, even if the animal is there when you get back. Do you do the ethical thing or the legal thing.
Sorry, but saying ethics has nuttin' to do with hunting makes me wonder how much ethics plays in other parts of one's life.
IMO the game laws dictate what is ethical.