Federal Judge Strikes Down NY's Ban on Chuka Sticks

Speedo66 · Dec 19, 2018

An attorney brought suit against NYS's ban on chuka sticks in a Federal court. He wanted to be able to possess them in his home to practice, NY banned all possession.

The judge went further, stating that they were historically a defensive weapon, not offensive, and struck down the entire law which included a ban manufacturing them in state. She seemed to have a good handle on their history. Her name, Chen, might indicate an Asian background assuming it's not just her married name.

She cited 2nd amendment reasons in her decision.

Here's the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/nyregion/nunchuks-ban-overturned-new-york.html

cheygriz · Dec 19, 2018

That judge "gets it."

Deltaboy1984 · Dec 19, 2018

Common sense Wins!

mdauben · Dec 20, 2018

We need more judges like her! An excellent ruling based on facts and not leftist hysteria. :thumbup:

9mmepiphany · Dec 24, 2018

Speedo66 said:
An attorney brought suit against NYS's ban on chuka sticks in a Federal court.

I realize that they are referred to in the law as Chuka Sticks, but I've always wondered about how that came about.

They are called Nunchaku in the original Japanese and this translated/corrupted into Nunchuck in America. How do you get from there to Chuka Sticks?

The word "Chuka" is of African origin

hso · Dec 24, 2018

9mmepiphany said:
How do you get from there to Chuka Sticks?

Crazy laws banning things often use some local doggerel. The same for switchblades or saps.

Browning · Dec 24, 2018

9mmepiphany said:
I realize that they are referred to in the law as Chuka Sticks, but I've always wondered about how that came about.

They are called Nunchaku in the original Japanese and this translated/corrupted into Nunchuck in America. How do you get from there to Chuka Sticks?

The word "Chuka" is of African origin

Yeah, took me a minute to figure that out. I was like 'Chuka sticks'?!! You mean nunchuks?

Browning · Dec 24, 2018

Speedo66 said:
The judge went further, stating that they were historically a defensive weapon, not offensive, and struck down the entire law which included a ban manufacturing them in state. She seemed to have a good handle on their history. Her name, Chen, might indicate an Asian background assuming it's not just her married name.

She cited 2nd amendment reasons in her decision.

This is the judge.
https://conference2016.aabany.org/speaker/hon-pamela-k-chen/

glistam · Dec 25, 2018

Browning said:
This is the judge.
https://conference2016.aabany.org/speaker/hon-pamela-k-chen/

Many weapon bans have a subtle racism to them. Think about it. Nunchaku and "ninja stars" are Japanese. Balisongs are Filipino and also erroneously associated with Latin people. Gravity knives were German circa WWII. Switchblades were associated with Italians, loaded canes and slungshots with the Irish, around the turn of the century. Heck, sometimes overt racism like Maryland's weapon carry ban that in it's early days only applied if you were black or Native American. This judge likely had to good sense to see this ban for what it was.

Browning · Dec 26, 2018

glistam said:
Many weapon bans have a subtle racism to them. Think about it. Nunchaku and "ninja stars" are Japanese. Balisongs are Filipino and also erroneously associated with Latin people. Gravity knives were German circa WWII. Switchblades were associated with Italians, loaded canes and slungshots with the Irish, around the turn of the century. Heck, sometimes overt racism like Maryland's weapon carry ban that in it's early days only applied if you were black or Native American. This judge likely had to good sense to see this ban for what it was.

I was just curious if the case had been about guns if she would have used the 2nd Amendment argument.

CapnMac · Dec 26, 2018

hso said:
Crazy laws banning things often use some local doggerel.

Amen. The Texas statutes used to have a long laundry list of prohibited blunt objects. Which was repeated several times through the code. Which mirrored the repetitive construction of prohibited places (which famously included "bawdy houses").

toivo · Dec 26, 2018

New York is very strange in this regard. A New York State CCW only applies to firearms. Therefore, I could be legally carrying a pistol but be arrested if I'm also carrying a knife that is “primarily intended for use as a weapon.” I would hope this could be challenged using the "nunchuk precedent."

hso · Dec 26, 2018

toivo said:
New York State CCW only applies to firearms.

That's not any different than many, if not most, states. OTOH, Knife Rights has made huge gains for our side removing anti knife owner laws such that most states now aren't officially prejudices against knife owners. Sadly, New York's Governor has vetoed two bills that would make life easier for knife owners in spite of overwhelming bipartisan support in the state legislative body.

Speedo66 · Dec 27, 2018

Recent elections changed the makeup of the NYS legislature, chances of an override are now nil.

hso · Dec 27, 2018

Speedo66 said:
Recent elections changed the makeup of the NYS legislature, chances of an override are now nil.

No one overrides Cuomo. Both times through there was enough support to override, but that wasn't gonna happen.

il_10 · Dec 28, 2018

I think it's amazing that these laws have been allowed to stand as long as they have. At least with gun laws, most of the obviously racist language has been removed in most states (think the bases for "Saturday night special" laws or may-issue), but blunt and edged weapons laws are still tailored ethnically to a large degree.

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