SKS, to fine-tune a fine weapon

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Kano,

I think an SKS would make a great communications device for you to send the message "Leave me alone"

As you have no interest in "collecting" I think tossing the bayonet and cleaning rod goes a long way towards improving accuracy.

No idea what ammo availability in East Africa is like but for me the Lupua ammo from Finland gave the best accuracy from the SKS and the Chinese the worst.

The Tech sight does have to be removed to remove the dust cover. I do not have a tech Sight for an SKS but reviews indicate that taking them on and off does not greatly cause loss of zero or accuracy.

Sounds like you plan to have fun modifying your rifle....just don't have it in pieces on the work bench if you need it in the truck!

Thanks for sharing your picture with us as well as your thoughts.

-kBob
 
Except that there are no 10/22 around here, nor 700, ARs, Mini 30, Ruger PC, or anything else. There is no Bass Pro, no Brownells, no Cabelas, not even any friendly LGS. And the purpose of a a trunk gun is to have something to talk back to BGs who are toting full auto AKs, we do get the opportunity once in a while... :D

So, the whole tinkering bit is just to make a tool useful in the circumstances, getting rid of what is not needed, and polishing what can be.
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taking a rough military weapon and turning it into something else for the simple reason that it was designed well, is apparently an accepted practice... :)

That's the key aspect to the feasibility of doing this with an SKS or similar. It would make no sense in the US, where one can buy or build an AR in the same caliber, or in 5.56 or a host of other rounds, and have something that will shoot circles around any combloc gun while still costing less. But in other parts of the world, people don't enjoy the access to such a dizzying array of weapons, accessories and upgrade parts we take for granted over here.

If one of our stateside members were the OP, I'd definitely be rolling my eyes a bit. But it's a very different situation half way around the world in the other hemisphere.
 
If I had to make an SKS into my one-and-only defensive gun I'd:
  1. Make sure I had a good one. Fire it a good bit, make sure it's reliable, accurate, etc.
  2. Remove the bayonet, cleaning rod.
  3. If practical for you, and not a collector, etc. buzz off the poky, heavy bayonet lug/mount thing. Carefully so as to not damage the FSB.
  4. Replace the stock. Anything that is fiber reinforced plastic, sturdy, and comfortable.
    • Wood is heavy, and the heavier it is, the less likely to be on your body. Lighten the gun
    • Fitting your body better is good. I like the original size and configuration but there's much to be said for adjustable LOP
    • If allowed, folding will make the gun much shorter, so easier to stow and secure in vehicles, easier to have on you.
    • But most of all, wood changes with environmental conditions. Should make it more accurate /all the time/.
  5. Get a good carry strap. Personally, I sew adapters and love the BFG VCAS, but anything good is good.
    • Same thing as #4: makes it more likely you have it on you all the time.
  6. Vehicle mounts, or cases. Never worry of theft, questions, or wonder where it is when you have had a collision. Bad guys may start an incident with a collision.
    • Can you get to it from the driver's seat, if stuff happens fast, or you are trapped, post-collision?
  7. This scope mount, 100% https://scoutscopes.com/shop?olsPage=products/sks-mount-with-35-inch-rail
  8. An RDS on that mount. A dead-nuts reliable one.
  9. Figure out a reload mechanism. Get stripper clips, practice topping off.
    • If reliable, and several have testified to specific options above, get a 20 round (not 30!) mag replacement for more onboard firepower.
  10. Figure out how to carry those reloads. And think about day to day, not range day
    • What can you keep on the body all the time? Maybe nothing, but think on it.
    • What can you grab with the rifle, to quickly wear or throw over a shoulder. Make sure you can shoot with it on, also
  11. Make a dope chart. 7.62x39 is pretty loopy, so past about 300 yards you'll start missing just from drop.
    1. Make a simple chart of holdovers from 1-600 yards and stick it to the stock.
    2. Try to find something on the gun (front sight?) to use as a size reference to help estimate ranges.
    3. Put that info on the dope card also so you don't forget in the heat of the moment.
 
Would like to see your....before and after results in terms of accurizing your sks after your mods
 
Shoobe, that’s quite a comprehensive post... :)

If I had to make an SKS into my one-and-only defensive gun I'd:
1. Make sure I had a good one. Fire it a good bit, make sure it's reliable, accurate, etc.

In long gun country, we always have rifles in the back, and always carry when we set foot down. These are bolt action, good for four-legged things, or two-legged things if they’re not too many or overly armed.

For a good SKS, I’m lucky enough to be able to pick one out of a couple of dozens, and to have a range at hand…

1. Remove the bayonet, cleaning rod.
2. If practical for you, and not a collector, etc. buzz off the poky, heavy bayonet lug/mount thing. Carefully so as to not damage the FSB.

Done... First thing I chopped off after getting the trigger at what it’s supposed to be.

1. Replace the stock. Anything that is fiber reinforced plastic, sturdy, and comfortable.
* Wood is heavy, and the heavier it is, the less likely to be on your body. Lighten the gun
* Fitting your body better is good. I like the original size and configuration but there's much to be said for adjustable LOP
* If allowed, folding will make the gun much shorter, so easier to stow and secure in vehicles, easier to have on you.
* But most of all, wood changes with environmental conditions. Should make it more accurate /all the time/.

Agreed, stock fit is essential if you want to be quick with a rifle. The wood on the SKS is, to put it mildly, crude...

I may be able to get a FAB Defense stock, they seem to be good quality.

Gun as light as possible... My carry long gun is a 7.5 lbs 9.3x62, my “heavy” is a 8.5 lbs .458 Lott. A 6.5 lbs rifle would be a dream... Not sure you can get that, maybe with a trimmed 6.5...

1. Get a good carry strap. Personally, I sew adapters and love the BFG VCAS, but anything good is good.
* Same thing as #4: makes it more likely you have it on you all the time.

I always carry my gun in hand, never use a sling. Most hunters here do not use a sling: it gets in the way if something jumps you from a bush ten yards away...

The only place I’d see a use for a sling would be in a urban environment, where you may need to use your hands for a light or whatever. But then I’d probably have a light on a piece of rail anyway.

That’s also one of the reason why I do insist on a good balance in a gun. Can’t carry at arm’s length for hours if it balances like a sledge hammer...

1. Vehicle mounts, or cases. Never worry of theft, questions, or wonder where it is when you have had a collision. Bad guys may start an incident with a collision.
* Can you get to it from the driver's seat, if stuff happens fast, or you are trapped, post-collision?

Bush vehicles, open gun rack behind the cab. In town, handgun, if there is a long in the car, in a secured case.


That one I want… Exactly what I was looking for! Thanks for the heads up.

1. An RDS on that mount. A dead-nuts reliable one.

Yes. Nothing beats a RMR for quick work, not even a ghost ring. More than adequate for 150 yards shots, even more (2-3 MOA dot). And with seasoned eyes, it solves all blurry problems.

1. Figure out a reload mechanism. Get stripper clips, practice topping off.
* If reliable, and several have testified to specific options above, get a 20 round (not 30!) mag replacement for more onboard firepower.

I scrounged around and got myself 40 BXM clips... That will do the job. For having tested M models with the AK mag, I find them clumsy to reload, and prefer the clips. Easier and lighter to carry, too.

1. Figure out how to carry those reloads. And think about day to day, not range day
* What can you keep on the body all the time? Maybe nothing, but think on it.
* What can you grab with the rifle, to quickly wear or throw over a shoulder. Make sure you can shoot with it on, also

In the bush, two clips in the pockets, more in a backpack with one of the guys. Hunting rounds on the belt. In town, I have a fanny pack in grabbing distance, with the essentials: spare mags, spare clips, ear protection, gloves, some cord, and a blade.

1. Make a dope chart. 7.62x39 is pretty loopy, so past about 300 yards you'll start missing just from drop.
1. Make a simple chart of holdovers from 1-600 yards and stick it to the stock.
2. Try to find something on the gun (front sight?) to use as a size reference to help estimate ranges.

Not really planning on longish shots... 150-200 are far in our places. If there is time for a 400 yards shot, there is time to get a scoped .300... When stalking things, whether four or two-hooved, the saying goes “If yer close enuff, git closer”. But still, I’ll work that SKS and check where things go.

You covered all the bases... Thanks again for that pointer to the mount, I’d been looking for something like that, but all the ones I saw didn’t make the cut.
 
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6.5 lbs rifle would be a dream... Not sure you can get that, maybe with a trimmed 6.5
Mine with the aperture sight, and choate stock, came in at 6.9lbs with the plastic 5 round, and 7lbs even with the metal 5 rounder it usually wears. Lop the barrel down to 16, and trim any other weight you can and you might hit 6.5 before magazine.
 
all the stuff you are planning to do, reminds me when people buy 10/22 on sale for $180, then build a $800 rifle around it

But you wind up with a very accurate rifle when you do. Shooting my son-in-laws SKS cured me of any urges to own one. I'm not knocking on those of you that like them, they just aren't something that really interests me enough to put any money and effort into one. The title of the thread intrigued me to see what could actually be done if anything to improve one.
 
I may be able to get a FAB Defense stock, they seem to be good quality.

I was always suspicious of them, but ended up with a FAB thing on a Mossberg 590A1 and while I subsequently sold it for other reasons, it was indeed quite well built. I'd have no concerns with that.

Their pistol grip design is small. I could work with it, but if you get annoyed with small grips, think about that before settling on it.
 
Ergonomics can be a thing. Some people do not like it,

I got an SKS more or less by accident. I thought it was fugly. Weird short-coupled stock, magazine way forward, blocky cover on top...

I put it to my shoulder and looked through the sights, and my opinion changed. The rifle balances beautifully. The funky stock is comfortable and brings the sights up to my eye better than most.

My wife's reaction was much like mine; "That's one to trade off ASAP." And after handling it, "This one is mine!"

As far as MOA goes... there's a big difference between expired Combloc milsurp (or even Russian commercial) and new American Winchester or Hornady ammunition.
 
What's the green stock you have? It's a rather nice shape, especially the pistol grip angle. Have not seen that one elsewhere.

Painted yourself or it came that way?

https://www.riflestock.com/store/product-category/rifle-products/rifle-stocks/sks-stocks/

They are the lightest stocks available for the sks. Very trim profile, and the comb is set up for open sights.
One issue is that like most light poly stocks they are quite flexible.

Mine is actually a black stock, I got it for 40 bucks off eBay and painted it.
 
I will freely admit that I do not particularly like semi-automatic firearms. However, I have found the simple and rugged design of the SKS to be appealing, and even elegant. It is nice to see how the basic rifle can be modified and updated with some rather simple changes to serve in a real world environment. It is much more interesting than seeing how other platforms are modified for a hypothetical dystopian environment.

And I really like that receiver sight that LoonWulf has. But how do you take the gun down for cleaning, etc?
 
And I really like that receiver sight that LoonWulf has
If I had mounted it another 1/4" backwards, I could have pulled the top cover with the sight installed, but it would have been uncomfortably far over my thumb.
As it is was ( i still havent found the actual sight in my parts box), if you pulled the sight....er.....adjustment body? meh, the top part of the sight, you can remove the top cover by lifting it over.

For the most part, as with the scope mount (which is held on by 4 screws, 2 on each side of the receiver) I just sprayed foaming bore cleaner in there and use an 8mm pull thru. The chrome bore came out clean in a couple passes. bent .45 acp chamber brush took care of that, and a quick blast out with brake clean to clear the gas port was it.
All in all Its almost as fast to clean as one of my bolt guns.
 
But you wind up with a very accurate rifle when you do. Shooting my son-in-laws SKS cured me of any urges to own one. I'm not knocking on those of you that like them, they just aren't something that really interests me enough to put any money and effort into one. The title of the thread intrigued me to see what could actually be done if anything to improve one.

I have exactly $210 in my Romanian sks, but that's because I bought it 15+ years ago. That includes 2 30 round mags as well as the factory box mag. I never felt the need to alter it as it wasnt bought to punch ten bullets through the same hole. It was bought to put lead on a beach ball sized target for fun. It's a plinker that goes boom every time. I love it. It is accurate enough to hit a 1 pound binary explosive sitting under a couple cinder blocks at 50 yds. Without hitting the blocks...

The key to shooting a factory stocked sks is to keep your cheek weld farther back than "normal". Otherwise it likes to slap ya.

Sometimes it's fun to see who can shoot a less accurate gun better between friends. My pops and I shot it at a dead tree so much that the tree toppled one day while we were shooting. It was 24" diameter, and full of 7.62 bullets haha.
 
Compared to an ar or bolt gun the sks is fairly inaccurate, but compared to something similar the ones I've shot weren't bad with decent ammo.
In the timbersmith stock, I could hold 1.5-2" groups with peeps and handloads.
I need to work on it more to figure out how to get accuracy with the flexible stock it's now in.
 
I have two SKS rifles. Both have been highly modified to suit me. I added extended butt pads to both because the LOP was a little short for me. Now they are perfect.:D

Here is a thread I started when I first joined this forum many years ago. I asked about the durability of the Chinese made SKS rifles. Post #5 is the one to pay attention to.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/has-anyone-wore-out-an-sks.318230/

Since this thread I added a second SKS. A regular 20" barreled rifle I found GB for less that $300 NIB. I really like my SKS rifles.
 
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