Remington 870 Wingmaster 12 ga...

I think your price is spot on

Ya that sound fair for both sides.

Fair price! I looking at going to a 20 gauge!

Good price, good deal.

Something to consider before selling: there are reduced recoil options available for the 12 gauge. Felt recoil won’t necessarily be less for a 20 gauge as that’s a function of gun weight, payload mass, and velocity.

I bought a 99% 70s Wingmaster last year for $450 if that helps. Virtually unmarked and unfired. I bought a fair one the year before for $250. They aren't real high are.

Three years ago I bought one identical to yours in terms of choke, etc. and paid $470. It was like new and I compared it to a dozen others at the Tulsa Gun Show, most were around $400 plus or minus depending on condition.. Your price sounds right.

If you reload shotgun shells, start with a lighter payload. That is 1 ounce, 7/8 or better still
3/4 ounce loadings. The pressures are lower and you can still reach 1250 fps, the recoil
is much less. I still break clays with no problem with any of my 12's.

Make sure whatever gun you decide to go with that it FITS, and that is more than LOP. Two recoils to consider, actual and perceived. Actual is the math equation mentioned above; perceives, aka "kick", is how an individual feels it. Then shoot the slowest lightest payload that works in the heaviest gun that fits you for the lowest actual and perceived recoil.

I have 2 Beretta A400s and they both handle my 3/4oz 12 gauge reloads. The gas action elongates the recoil pulse so it feels like more of a nudge than a push.

I'd love to find one and send it to Wilson combat. A man can dream...

I have a Wingmaster like that I purchased new in 1970. As far as I'm concerned there wasn't a better pump shotgun ever built. I'd go four fiddy if I were in the market for a good pump gun. Barrels are about $125 used.

The 2-3/4" capability will be a negative for many.

Virginian said:

The 2-3/4" capability will be a negative for many.

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I never have lost any game using standard shells.3 1\2 shells came out due a steel shot!

3" shells most assuredly did NOT come out due to steel shot. Nash Buckingham used them. And so did I, extensively.

The federal law for nontoxic shot around 1990 has put the 2 3/4 shell at a huge disadvantage. When the state mandated it for upland here I quit hunting. Higher velocities and more shot is required to equal the performance of lead. It isn't compatible for older shotguns which all of mine are. I still have 3 or 4 older shotguns but none of them have been used in years. C'est la vie.

CoalTrain49 said:

The federal law for nontoxic shot around 1990 has put the 2 3/4 shell at a huge disadvantage. When the state mandated it for upland here I quit hunting. Higher velocities and more shot is required to equal the performance of lead. It isn't compatible for older shotguns which all of mine are. I still have 3 or 4 older shotguns but none of them have been used in years. C'est la vie.

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Some of the bismuth alloy shot is safe for older guns, really expensive, though.

California now has a statewide no lead mandate. I haven’t hunted here yet, but that’s more a function of not knowing where to go than lead bans.

I certainly wouldn’t want to hunt dove or quail with bismuth or tungsten alloy shot. I can cook up my own custom steel loads for cheap and I don’t imagine dove or quail being all that tough.

Jason_W said:

Some of the bismuth alloy shot is safe for older guns, really expensive, though.

California now has a statewide no lead mandate. I haven’t hunted here yet, but that’s more a function of not knowing where to go than lead bans.

I certainly wouldn’t want to hunt dove or quail with bismuth or tungsten alloy shot. I can cook up my own custom steel loads for cheap and I don’t imagine dove or quail being all that tough.

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I know. I just sold 6 lbs of Nice Shot (tungsten) for $20/lb. I think they went out of business a long time ago because people just couldn't afford it.

Bismuth alloy isn't nearly as good as lead or tungsten. Tungsten was a good substitute, all gone.

Steel sucks, no way around it.