Palmetto State Armory AR's

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Varminterror said:
A stock, designed to be shoulder fired, is an aspect of a rifle. But a lower with a stock is not a rifle.
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If you read the instructions on form 4473 you'll see they absolutely recognize that some receivers can only be made into long guns, yes they are still supposed to be marked other on the form. But unless you have a letter from the ATF stating specifically that their opinion says the stock can be taken off of a completed receiver and build a pistol I'm going to play it safe as their opinion is the one that matters not yours.
 
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Copied directly from the Form 4473 https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4...n-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

Question 16. Type of Firearm(s): "Other" refers to frames, receivers and other firearms that are neither handguns nor long guns (rifles or shotguns), such as firearms having a pistol grip that expel a shotgun shell, or National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms, including silencers. If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver not a handgun or long gun. However, frames and receivers are still "firearms" by definition, and subject to the same GCA limitations as any other firearms. See Section 921(a)(3)(B). Section 922(b)(1) makes it unlawful for a licensee to sell any firearm other than a shotgun or rifle to any person under the age of 21. Since a frame or receiver for a firearm, to include one that can only be made into a long gun, is a "firearm other than a shotgun or rifle," it cannot be transferred to anyone under the age of 21, nor can these firearms be transferred to anyone who is not a resident of the State where the transfer is to take place. Also, note that multiple sales forms are not required for frames or receivers of any firearms, or pistol grip shotguns, since they are not "pistols or revolvers" under Section 923(g)(3)(A).
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Note the part in bold. It says that a receiver than can only be made into a long gun is still a receiver, not a handgun or a long gun.

Now, what frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun? One that was stripped from a firearm that was originally made as a rifle or a shotgun. A lower, even with one with a rifle stock, does not become a handgun or long arm until it's mated with a barreled upper. It's up to you the purchaser to ensure that when you complete your receiver that you do not do so in a prohibited configuration.
 
With it written clearly on the 4473 no letter is needed. Saying we must have a letter is like asking ATF to clarify their own clarification. You wouldn’t refuse to make left turns because only the driver’s manual said it was ok but you had no letter from the DOT, would you?

I understand wanting to be cautious but I can assure you that no matter what your complete lower ships with on the receiver extension your FFL won’t transfer it to you unless you’re at least 21 years of age.

This much I know firsthand as I had allowed my CCP to expire which in Iowa is also considered the Permit to Purchase for handguns. My buddy said sorry and sent me off to the Sheriff’s office to renew. Have a look around online, you’ll see that “Must be 21” note on every AR that is not a complete rifle.

3 of the 4 below MUST be transferred as “Other” to correctly complete the 4473. The 4th is a complete rifle and would be transferred as such. Note age restriction of 21 on the first 3, including the one sold with attached stock. Screenshots from PSA’s website.

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Never had a problem with PSA. Just don't expect top of the line when you are not paying top of the line prices. Nevertheless, their products met my expectations.
 
I know that many of their barrels are nitride. I've heard some folks say that it's kind of cheaping out over chromed bores.
 
Slater said:
I know that many of their barrels are nitride. I've heard some folks say that it's kind of cheaping out over chromed bores.
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I remember, just a few years ago the guys over at AR15.com some guys were saying things like "Go Chrome or Go Home" and "Chrome will get you home" .
And then just a year or two down the road they were going to Nitride barrels, because they were getting better accuracy.
How many target rifles have chrome lined bores?
The military uses chrome line bores, but then they only want 4 MOA.
 
It's easier to make an accurate nitrided barrel vs an accurate chrome lined barrel. We do not operate in the harsh conditions chrome was used for, and by all accounts, nitride is just as good. Time will tell. If you are going to run around in the swamp with your rifle, never clean it, day after day, month after month, maybe chrome is the better option, maybe. I do wonder how nitride affects barrel life vs chrome. Not many of us can afford enough rounds to shoot out many AR barrels though. I'm sure some gamers do.
 
One advantage that I've heard about nitride is that the process hardens the entire barrel, and not just the bore (as chrome does). But both will yield durability/longevity over an untreated barrel.
 
Slater said:
One advantage that I've heard about nitride is that the process hardens the entire barrel, and not just the bore (as chrome does). But both will yield durability/longevity over an untreated barrel.
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Nitriding is more akin to case hardening, i.e. hardening the surface of the barrel. Chrome-lining is electroplating, which has a potential to create an uneven surface, leading to a loss of accuracy.
 
It took PSA 17 days to complete my order for a complete rifle. Things set on the dock there for as long as 12 days. It is what it is. If you're going to deal with them expect delays.
 
I have over 30 orders from PSA over the past 4 years and all arrived in 5 to 7 days. I usually order there email special deals with free shipping. That may be part of the reason I never have any trouble.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
I’ve had good luck with PSA.
Here are a few builds from their kits.

Then Gunny post the entire PSA catalog he has built. Lol. Gunny is like that tag on Home Depot shelf asking if you want that fan installed or the tile laid. Except it’s on PSA’s website. Do you need this kit built, Call Gunny.
Just kidding Gunny. You always have solid & accurate advice. Much appreciated.
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My only and it is a big one gripe about PSA is they will only ship via UPS. I live in the country and my deliveries are rarely on time. Usually about two weeks. Part of it is PSA being slow and UPS not wanting to send a truck out until they have more packages to deliver around my area. In addition UPS doesn’t deliver to my home until afternoon while I am at work and PSA wants signed proof of delivery. So I usually change the delivery option to picking it up at the shipping hub which is a 40 mile out of the way trip.

Once in awhile things work out. I ordered a Red Dot sight over the Memorial weekend. PSA shipped on Tuesday and I got it delivered on Friday.

Come on PSA. Why not a USPS delivery option?
 
BSA1 said:
My only and it is a big one gripe about PSA is they will only ship via UPS. I live in the country and my deliveries are rarely on time. Usually about two weeks. Part of it is PSA being slow and UPS not wanting to send a truck out until they have more packages to deliver around my area. In addition UPS doesn’t deliver to my home until afternoon while I am at work and PSA wants signed proof of delivery. So I usually change the delivery option to picking it up at the shipping hub which is a 40 mile out of the way trip.

Once in awhile things work out. I ordered a Red Dot sight over the Memorial weekend. PSA shipped on Tuesday and I got it delivered on Friday.

Come on PSA. Why not a USPS delivery option?
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I have a PO Box and PSA ships there all the time.
Ammo has to go to the house though.

If my road is too muddy - FedEx UPS leave my packages at the Hardware store in town. Works for me.
 
Bought an A4 style rifle kit from them, worked, trigger wasn't the best and the safety was a bit stiff, but it was an accurate rifle and went bang every time. I also purchased one of their .308 AR's, had a few issues with it, namely the buffer tube being too deep, wrong buffer and spring, and everything being tight as hell (For example, the dust cover STILL won't close without a good smack).
 
mavracer said:
My only warning would be that their cheap prices add up. Everything I've ordered has been great.
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Ugh, feeling that. Bought a kit to complete a lower for a .300 BLK upper I've had for years and now they send me fantastic deals several times a day.

An 18" .308 and a .300 BLK pistol are on next year's horizon, I just know it...
 
drobs said:
I have a PO Box and PSA ships there all the time.
Ammo has to go to the house though.

If my road is too muddy - FedEx UPS leave my packages at the Hardware store in town. Works for me.
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I just read your comment. I have started to rent a P.O. Box several times just never followed through. Since my P.O. is in very small town it would work out fine.
 
BSA1 said:
I just read your comment. I have started to rent a P.O. Box several times just never followed through. Since my P.O. is in very small town it would work out fine.
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I too live in a small town. The Post Office wont deliver to my house. They offered to allow me to put up a mail box on a corner 5 miles away.
I'd rather pay for the security of having a PO Box. We have a small box. Packages are kept off to the side. So don't rent a big PO Box as it's not needed.
 
Skylerbone said:
@MistWolf, @GunnyUSMC, @Varminterror are a few of the guys who did the ‘splainen for me when I had questions on these issues and hopefully if I screw it up or mire it with incomprehensible babble they’ll jump in and rescue it. Here goes:

Example 1. You buy a stripped lower, the “firearm” portion of an AR which requires a 4473. Your FFL marks the transfer down as “Other”. You complete your lower build. NOW...until the moment you pin an upper on it, it is still an “Other” and you are fine.

Example 1. You purchase a pistol upper and, using a bare receiver extension or a brace, you pin it to your lower and have built a Pistol.

Example 2. You purchase a rifle upper, and pin it to your lower and have built a Rifle. Or: you remove the rifle buttstock, purchase a pistol upper, pin it to the lower (without the buttstock) and have built a Pistol. Or: you purchase a pistol upper and wish to keep the rifle buttstock in place but must first have permission as pinning them creates an SBR, but a rifle none the less.
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A discussion similar to this came up with a customer who had ffl transferred in an Extar EP9. We were talking about the brace being a functional shoulder brace as well as an arm brace. The topic moved to AR pistols, both factory assembled as well as home built. So here's the question neither of us was sure of the correct answer. If you start with an AR pistol, either factory or home built, with a brace on it, there's no restriction on putting a rifle upper on it is there? I mean, the defining part is the lower and there is no such thing as a LBP (Long Barreled Pistol), is there? As long as it started life defined as a pistol you could up any upper on it as long as the back end was a brace and not a stock, correct?
Neither of us was quite sure of the answer, although we both agreed it seemed logical to be yes. Hence the confusion.
 
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DDDWho said:
It took PSA 17 days to complete my order for a complete rifle. Things set on the dock there for as long as 12 days. It is what it is. If you're going to deal with them expect delays.
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Surprisingly, I ordered a lower and upper from them around christmas time last year and it got here in about a week.
 
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